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		<title>By: Mysterion</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-5070</link>
		<dc:creator>Mysterion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Alex Carmel, that the bail-outs of the U.S and Europe are very different. 

First of all: It was the Idea of the U.S.govt. to buy the banks, that refused to loan more money,to overcome that issue.

Only to buy the banks the, U.S.Govt. needed to loan money from for instance China.

 Can you imagine  you go to a bank and you say &quot;please lend me more money&quot;and the bank replys&quot;We&#039;re sorry sir ,but you already borrowed to much!&quot; and then you say &quot;You just wait and see, I&#039;ll go to another bank to get a loan based on taxpayers money,to by your Bank.

China however already lent 1/2 trillion to the U.S. 

On top of a probably ,as expected,a national depth of 11,3 Trillion,but they haven&#039;t started  to recalculate,so possibly it could also end up doubled that number. 

This of course caused a lack of trust,and confidence. the European Govts.have done the opposite, the last 8 years:

They have privatized all the too expensive national companies

They have raised taxes on top of already to high taxes.

They have declined the national depth until the lowest level of intrest.. 

At the same time, the European Countries ,without anybody knowing saved up to about 1 1/2 Trillions  taxpayers money together .

And as also Mr Alex Carmel suggests the banks have a policy that made the U.S. a strong player in the economic field.

 Namely ,you can only borrow money,when ou have money!


 To buy these bank is nothing else then nationalizing or deprivatizing , and you can imagine that the European people was gobbesmacked to see how much money suddenly, as if out of nothing, appeared.

 But it&#039;s a very good investment of the Taxpayers money for the future,because the tax money is from now on doing banking business and making profits on the intrests on the loans of the U.S.

And to resist the impact of the Recession of the U.S. Economy,for now.

I told you this already before, that in Europe there was no sign of crisis.

On the contrary I&#039;d say.

And although the stockmarket had been decreasing,after the bailouts it was rising again.

So, for the occasionalist ,there were big profits to make,but because of economic/strategic reasons you don&#039;t hear that,of course.I must say that I don&#039;t understand the Story of Mr Johan,netherlands, but maybe he&#039;s to much a &quot;safeplayer &quot;on the U.S. economy and to less a Gambler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Alex Carmel, that the bail-outs of the U.S and Europe are very different. </p>
<p>First of all: It was the Idea of the U.S.govt. to buy the banks, that refused to loan more money,to overcome that issue.</p>
<p>Only to buy the banks the, U.S.Govt. needed to loan money from for instance China.</p>
<p> Can you imagine  you go to a bank and you say &#034;please lend me more money&#034;and the bank replys&#034;We&#039;re sorry sir ,but you already borrowed to much!&#034; and then you say &#034;You just wait and see, I&#039;ll go to another bank to get a loan based on taxpayers money,to by your Bank.</p>
<p>China however already lent 1/2 trillion to the U.S. </p>
<p>On top of a probably ,as expected,a national depth of 11,3 Trillion,but they haven&#039;t started  to recalculate,so possibly it could also end up doubled that number. </p>
<p>This of course caused a lack of trust,and confidence. the European Govts.have done the opposite, the last 8 years:</p>
<p>They have privatized all the too expensive national companies</p>
<p>They have raised taxes on top of already to high taxes.</p>
<p>They have declined the national depth until the lowest level of intrest.. </p>
<p>At the same time, the European Countries ,without anybody knowing saved up to about 1 1/2 Trillions  taxpayers money together .</p>
<p>And as also Mr Alex Carmel suggests the banks have a policy that made the U.S. a strong player in the economic field.</p>
<p> Namely ,you can only borrow money,when ou have money!</p>
<p> To buy these bank is nothing else then nationalizing or deprivatizing , and you can imagine that the European people was gobbesmacked to see how much money suddenly, as if out of nothing, appeared.</p>
<p> But it&#039;s a very good investment of the Taxpayers money for the future,because the tax money is from now on doing banking business and making profits on the intrests on the loans of the U.S.</p>
<p>And to resist the impact of the Recession of the U.S. Economy,for now.</p>
<p>I told you this already before, that in Europe there was no sign of crisis.</p>
<p>On the contrary I&#039;d say.</p>
<p>And although the stockmarket had been decreasing,after the bailouts it was rising again.</p>
<p>So, for the occasionalist ,there were big profits to make,but because of economic/strategic reasons you don&#039;t hear that,of course.I must say that I don&#039;t understand the Story of Mr Johan,netherlands, but maybe he&#039;s to much a &#034;safeplayer &#034;on the U.S. economy and to less a Gambler.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan,Netherlands</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4932</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan,Netherlands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Maggie

In the past stock-markets were never designed in the way they are being used at present (commodities,derivatives,futures)
Nowadays it looks like a giant casino where company-values do not seem to matter anymore 
I kept my portofolio after the 2000-techcrash and even now !
I refuse to surrender NOW but i do not intend to buy more...

I worked hard for my money and did not gamble all of it at the stock casinos although I lost a lot of money.
Furthermore I think that a whole lot of the elder current generation 
has had enough of it and will not return when they get out

SO GAME OVER , RIEN NE VA PLUS
Yours Sincere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Maggie</p>
<p>In the past stock-markets were never designed in the way they are being used at present (commodities,derivatives,futures)<br />
Nowadays it looks like a giant casino where company-values do not seem to matter anymore<br />
I kept my portofolio after the 2000-techcrash and even now !<br />
I refuse to surrender NOW but i do not intend to buy more...</p>
<p>I worked hard for my money and did not gamble all of it at the stock casinos although I lost a lot of money.<br />
Furthermore I think that a whole lot of the elder current generation<br />
has had enough of it and will not return when they get out</p>
<p>SO GAME OVER , RIEN NE VA PLUS<br />
Yours Sincere</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4931</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What have been the losses for Mr. Paulson, because he has been there some years?? The advisor coming in to assist Mr. Paulson is originating from Goldman Sachs?? Mr. Bush is repeating same phrase time after time &quot;We will find a way to solve this&quot;

People loosing their ability to pay, to plan their future and the futures of their children or simply to maintain their independence. Pensions at risk and with that health care when people get older.

Next excuse of these happenings will come from the big companies, advising that due to the crisis they will have to lay off people, basically not for the sake of this crisis, but as a excellent excuses to get those weighing heavily on the company&#039;s balance sheet out for which they could otherwise would seriously have to battle with unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What have been the losses for Mr. Paulson, because he has been there some years?? The advisor coming in to assist Mr. Paulson is originating from Goldman Sachs?? Mr. Bush is repeating same phrase time after time &#034;We will find a way to solve this&#034;</p>
<p>People loosing their ability to pay, to plan their future and the futures of their children or simply to maintain their independence. Pensions at risk and with that health care when people get older.</p>
<p>Next excuse of these happenings will come from the big companies, advising that due to the crisis they will have to lay off people, basically not for the sake of this crisis, but as a excellent excuses to get those weighing heavily on the company&#039;s balance sheet out for which they could otherwise would seriously have to battle with unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Carmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Carmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American computer programmer living in France, and I also spent 3 years in the UK and to me it is very clear. When you get out of the states for a while you can finally see what the difference is.
Here in France there are NO banks that need saving, not one! They are heavily regulated the way US banks were a long time ago. But in the states we took out all the stops and removed all the rules. We said that they will learn from their mistakes because they either sink or swim. But in the end, if they start to sink, oh, woops, we can&#039;t afford to let them sink, so we have to pay for it anyway. The stability of the banking system is part of national security! In France they are very serious about this institution and there will be no fooling around. In the UK they were jelous of the big money happening in America running around and and were convinced (fooled) into following the US down the same path. Well, just like Iraq, the French were NOT fooled. They did not let the banks make a house of cards of the financial institution. French banks are buying up banks in the neighboring countries, and no one feels that there bank is falling. People are not stretched economically. Home equity loans don&#039;t exist here, and when I explain about them to people here they all can&#039;t believe a bank would every do such a stupid thing.
Travel a bit folks. It opens your eyes. We (the USA) chose this path, and stability in the banking world will only happen when the rules are put back in place.
The banks are like children. Without rules they go crazy. They want and need barriers so that they all can all play safely without hurting each other, and us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m an American computer programmer living in France, and I also spent 3 years in the UK and to me it is very clear. When you get out of the states for a while you can finally see what the difference is.<br />
Here in France there are NO banks that need saving, not one! They are heavily regulated the way US banks were a long time ago. But in the states we took out all the stops and removed all the rules. We said that they will learn from their mistakes because they either sink or swim. But in the end, if they start to sink, oh, woops, we can&#039;t afford to let them sink, so we have to pay for it anyway. The stability of the banking system is part of national security! In France they are very serious about this institution and there will be no fooling around. In the UK they were jelous of the big money happening in America running around and and were convinced (fooled) into following the US down the same path. Well, just like Iraq, the French were NOT fooled. They did not let the banks make a house of cards of the financial institution. French banks are buying up banks in the neighboring countries, and no one feels that there bank is falling. People are not stretched economically. Home equity loans don&#039;t exist here, and when I explain about them to people here they all can&#039;t believe a bank would every do such a stupid thing.<br />
Travel a bit folks. It opens your eyes. We (the USA) chose this path, and stability in the banking world will only happen when the rules are put back in place.<br />
The banks are like children. Without rules they go crazy. They want and need barriers so that they all can all play safely without hurting each other, and us.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas, Sweden</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4882</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas, Sweden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a few weeks from now I suspect there will be rallies on stock markets to levels not seen in a long time. With soon to come tighter regulations put in place for the money markets, stocks will regain some of their lost ground during the last years. This is what new lending legislation needs to spark and it makes sense since very few will trust MBS&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a few weeks from now I suspect there will be rallies on stock markets to levels not seen in a long time. With soon to come tighter regulations put in place for the money markets, stocks will regain some of their lost ground during the last years. This is what new lending legislation needs to spark and it makes sense since very few will trust MBS&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue collar opinion,

Like many of my fellow Americans I drank the cool aid. It nearly killed my retirement plans and will take years for me to recover. I labored hard put my faith in my 401K and that the value of my home would slowly increase. I sat by and watched as stock brokers and Wall Street executives accumulated wealth beyond my comprehension. What is happening now on Wall Street is just a simple lost in confidence in its leadership. The average Joe American worker believes Wall Street leadership is corrupt, greedy and motivated only by self interest. I for one would like to see new and dynamic leadership, of high morale statue (i.e. Warren Buffet) who will work hard to re-earn the trust of its investors. Right now all I see is the Fed and Wall Street Exec’s telling me everything will be OK meanwhile relax don’t panic just take another sip of the cool aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue collar opinion,</p>
<p>Like many of my fellow Americans I drank the cool aid. It nearly killed my retirement plans and will take years for me to recover. I labored hard put my faith in my 401K and that the value of my home would slowly increase. I sat by and watched as stock brokers and Wall Street executives accumulated wealth beyond my comprehension. What is happening now on Wall Street is just a simple lost in confidence in its leadership. The average Joe American worker believes Wall Street leadership is corrupt, greedy and motivated only by self interest. I for one would like to see new and dynamic leadership, of high morale statue (i.e. Warren Buffet) who will work hard to re-earn the trust of its investors. Right now all I see is the Fed and Wall Street Exec’s telling me everything will be OK meanwhile relax don’t panic just take another sip of the cool aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma in Liverpool, UK</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4841</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma in Liverpool, UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had money, which I don&#039;t, I wouldn&#039;t touch the Stock Markets with a barge pole.

I don&#039;t gamble.  I am VERY upset by the notion that banks DO GAMBLE with the funds we entrust to them, without so much as a by-your-leave.

Other people can gamble, if they CHOOSE.  Leave my money (assuming I had some, which I don&#039;t) OUT of it!

Stock Markets.  [[shudder]]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had money, which I don&#039;t, I wouldn&#039;t touch the Stock Markets with a barge pole.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t gamble.  I am VERY upset by the notion that banks DO GAMBLE with the funds we entrust to them, without so much as a by-your-leave.</p>
<p>Other people can gamble, if they CHOOSE.  Leave my money (assuming I had some, which I don&#039;t) OUT of it!</p>
<p>Stock Markets.  [[shudder]]</p>
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		<title>By: Johann Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4740</link>
		<dc:creator>Johann Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that fiscal conservativeness is returning to the US, and consumers are forced to handle their debts instead of inflating super-sized consumption... everyone keep talking about the &quot;world economy problem,&quot; and how fiscal conservativeness, oversight and transparency must return... how is the US going to handle it&#039;s debt? Or is that not an issue - since it is a &quot;world problem?&quot; Can the US work their way out of the debt - like European countries and emerging markets did? How long will that turn around take?

China is reducing growth from 11% to 9% and Brazil down from 8% to 7% --- how much growth does the US need in the coming decades to handle their debt? Or is debt only an issue for consumers - not nations?

Regards,
Johann, Brazil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that fiscal conservativeness is returning to the US, and consumers are forced to handle their debts instead of inflating super-sized consumption... everyone keep talking about the &#034;world economy problem,&#034; and how fiscal conservativeness, oversight and transparency must return... how is the US going to handle it&#039;s debt? Or is that not an issue &#8211; since it is a &#034;world problem?&#034; Can the US work their way out of the debt &#8211; like European countries and emerging markets did? How long will that turn around take?</p>
<p>China is reducing growth from 11% to 9% and Brazil down from 8% to 7% - how much growth does the US need in the coming decades to handle their debt? Or is debt only an issue for consumers &#8211; not nations?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Johann, Brazil</p>
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		<title>By: Tanyi Ernest Ayamba</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4736</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanyi Ernest Ayamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think the markets are over inflated thus the present crisis. The fall of the markets is required to get them to their real level for we are all living in a real world not an electronic and unreal one as some in the stock market might want.
  While I think now is not the time to be pointing accusing fingers or playing the blame game, it is also important to know the root cause of all this so as to get our way out of it and never to return there. Which is the very large appetite of mostly Amercan and some western consumer who alway want to spend more than their income would permit and the banks for selfish and profit making reasons give out cedits even though the knew were risky.The world has to make sure that such habits cease to avoid another crisis in the future.
      Ayamba from Cameroon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think the markets are over inflated thus the present crisis. The fall of the markets is required to get them to their real level for we are all living in a real world not an electronic and unreal one as some in the stock market might want.<br />
  While I think now is not the time to be pointing accusing fingers or playing the blame game, it is also important to know the root cause of all this so as to get our way out of it and never to return there. Which is the very large appetite of mostly Amercan and some western consumer who alway want to spend more than their income would permit and the banks for selfish and profit making reasons give out cedits even though the knew were risky.The world has to make sure that such habits cease to avoid another crisis in the future.<br />
      Ayamba from Cameroon</p>
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		<title>By: shaukat</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/a-bitter-anniversary/#comment-4718</link>
		<dc:creator>shaukat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loss all my saving and under 3000 debt.</description>
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