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		<title>By: kbchristiansen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>were sec-members bribed, are controls just fake in wall-street,do not jail Madoff, let him serve in the main hospitals terminal-case units as a patient carer.And may the american medias continue to watch the wrong-doers whereever they are.Yours cordially and all that,
live from portugal:kbc.</description>
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live from portugal:kbc.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma in Liverpool, UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uma in Liverpool, UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an &#039;economic psychologist&#039; on the programme, talking about how Madoff was able to pull off his con with his plausible, &#039;avuncular&#039; demeanor.  This &#039;psychologist&#039; went so far as to suggest that investors put their faith in &#039;parent figures&#039;.

*pardon me whilst I spit horsefeathers*

What a load of tommy-rot!  This is not only insulting to investors, but also downright &lt;i&gt;infantilising&lt;/i&gt;.  While the sort of con-artists who bilk lonely old ladies and vulnerable young trust-fund youths out of the occasional million &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; meet those criteria -- needing someone they &#039;trusted&#039; -- a &#039;daddy-figure&#039; -- to manage their money, that is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the sort of person upon whom Madoff preyed.

If the beady-eyed investment-strategists at Stephen Spielberg&#039;s Foundation, and the hardened actuaries who managed the numerous other Foundations which Madoff robbed, were fooled, it &lt;i&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; because they wanted their Daddies!

My (educated) opinion is that Madoff used an entirely &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; lie, to win the blind trust of those he victimised.  

The lie is &#039;Would a Jew cheat another Jew?  We &lt;i&gt;help&lt;/i&gt; each other!&#039;  There exists, within the Jewish-American community -- particularly in New York -- a subculture which is run &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; on the Honour System: the diamond trade.  Built on this, there are segments of high-finance, and other commerce involving vast sums of money, which are &lt;i&gt;scrupulously&lt;/i&gt; honest.  

&lt;i&gt;Nobody&lt;/i&gt; who tries to cheat, in the diamond business, ever works again, because his face is faxed to every diamond centre, worldwide, and is on the wall, in the foyer, where the unobtrusive security camera is comparing him to his picture.

Cantor-FitzGerald, Salomon Bros, and firms like that ran like &lt;i&gt;families&lt;/i&gt;.  When the CEO of Cantor-FitzGerald was at a dentist&#039;s appointment, on 11 Sept, 2001, and &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;/i&gt; survived, he promised to look after &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; his employees&#039; families &lt;i&gt;personally&lt;/i&gt;.

The problem with this, obviously, is it breeds both naivete, and can turn otherwise acute judges of mathematical anomalies into fodder, when a sociopath turns up in their midst.

(I am &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; talking about the Israeli Mob, who are the most-brutal, most-feared, &lt;i&gt;worst&lt;/i&gt; perpetrators of organised crime in the USA.  That&#039;s &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt;.)

Bernie Madoff was smart.  He was subtle.  He was charming.  He was running legitimate businesses.  He was clearly, &lt;i&gt;completely&lt;/i&gt; sociopathic.  He didn&#039;t need to break the law.  He did it for kicks and grins.  It made him feel &lt;i&gt;powerful&lt;/i&gt;, to fool other people -- the better-trained, and more experienced, the bigger his sense of gratification.

People do not &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; sociopathy.  The truth is, &lt;i&gt;functional&lt;/i&gt; sociopaths are fairly unusual.  Most of them go too far, and show their natures, before they are thirty.  One of the marks of sociopathy is usually a lack of impulse-control, and that is what tends to catch them out.

Bernie Madoff did not have that problem, or &lt;i&gt;controlled&lt;/i&gt; it, brilliantly.  (Sociopathy tends to occur at the extremes of the IQ bell-curve.  He is definitely up with my dear ol&#039; dad, as genius sociopaths go).  Another mark is the &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to keep doing whatever creates that sense of gratification: witness Madoff&#039;s efforts to send his money to relatives, to &lt;i&gt;outsmart&lt;/i&gt; the law.

It is wholly &lt;i&gt;unfair&lt;/i&gt; to blame the victims.  As I said. people do not &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; sociopaths -- or the world would all be insane!  (I spent decades &lt;i&gt;studying&lt;/i&gt; them, to get over being the daughter of one.)

Madoff had &lt;i&gt;decades&lt;/i&gt; to perfect his &#039;craft&#039;, which was to be the most trustworthy-appearing, most safe-seeming, most &#039;one of the Good Jews&#039;-like &lt;i&gt;fraud&lt;/i&gt;, that he probably almost believed it &lt;i&gt;himself&lt;/i&gt;.  The only times he would know it &lt;i&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; true, was when he needed a power-fix. Since he &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; impulse-control, he could wait, and let them come to &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt;. 

That he is Jewish, and bilked the Jewish community, is superficial.  Had he been African-American, he would have used the African-American paths to power, and bilked African-Americans.  He worked in the milieu which &lt;i&gt;worked&lt;/i&gt; for him.

&#039;Daddy substitute&#039; my hat!  He was &lt;i&gt;such&lt;/i&gt; a genius, that if his &lt;i&gt;own children&lt;/i&gt; had not turned him in, he would &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; be at his old tricks. 

As for who owes what to whom, that is for the law to work out, if it can.  I would say anyone who &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; this was fraud, and profited from it, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However, I believe (because I was &lt;i&gt;raised&lt;/i&gt; by a genius sociopath, and know what they are like) that &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; Madoff knew what he was doing, and even &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; managed not to think about it, most of the time.  

There is only &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; way to keep a secret.  That is to &lt;i&gt;keep&lt;/i&gt; it.  By telling his children, Madoff either was making a subconscious decision to be caught -- borne out by his reaction when the police turned up.  Or, he was testing them, to see if they would go along with his scheme.  Probably a bit of both.  

He fooled &lt;i&gt;everybody&lt;/i&gt;.  That makes victim-blaming/infantilising rather ridiculous, doesn&#039;t it?

There will always be sociopaths.  Most of them are obviously not right.  Every so often, one will turn up, who bewilders everybody.  Sociopathy is a complex personality disorder, also called Anti-Social Personality Disorder.  It is completely untreatable.  The &lt;i&gt;extreme&lt;/i&gt; cases are usually violent serial rape-torture-murderers, who don&#039;t get caught, until they have buried bodies in 36 States.  Some of them are not violent.  They&#039;re even &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; likely to be caught.

Nobody caught my father.  He died a natural death -- which was the only &#039;natural&#039; thing about him.  He wasn&#039;t violent, either.  I may be one of the only people on Earth who &lt;i&gt;understands&lt;/i&gt; what made him tick.

I haven&#039;t the first idea what caused Bernie Madoff&#039;s sociopathy, but it is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; serious.  He needs to be locked up, and the key thrown away.  If he is paroled, even if he is 90, he will try again, and probably succeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an &#039;economic psychologist&#039; on the programme, talking about how Madoff was able to pull off his con with his plausible, &#039;avuncular&#039; demeanor.  This &#039;psychologist&#039; went so far as to suggest that investors put their faith in &#039;parent figures&#039;.</p>
<p>*pardon me whilst I spit horsefeathers*</p>
<p>What a load of tommy-rot!  This is not only insulting to investors, but also downright <i>infantilising</i>.  While the sort of con-artists who bilk lonely old ladies and vulnerable young trust-fund youths out of the occasional million <i>might</i> meet those criteria - needing someone they &#039;trusted&#039; - a &#039;daddy-figure&#039; - to manage their money, that is <i>not</i> the sort of person upon whom Madoff preyed.</p>
<p>If the beady-eyed investment-strategists at Stephen Spielberg&#039;s Foundation, and the hardened actuaries who managed the numerous other Foundations which Madoff robbed, were fooled, it <i>wasn&#039;t</i> because they wanted their Daddies!</p>
<p>My (educated) opinion is that Madoff used an entirely <i>different</i> lie, to win the blind trust of those he victimised.  </p>
<p>The lie is &#039;Would a Jew cheat another Jew?  We <i>help</i> each other!&#039;  There exists, within the Jewish-American community - particularly in New York - a subculture which is run <i>entirely</i> on the Honour System: the diamond trade.  Built on this, there are segments of high-finance, and other commerce involving vast sums of money, which are <i>scrupulously</i> honest.  </p>
<p><i>Nobody</i> who tries to cheat, in the diamond business, ever works again, because his face is faxed to every diamond centre, worldwide, and is on the wall, in the foyer, where the unobtrusive security camera is comparing him to his picture.</p>
<p>Cantor-FitzGerald, Salomon Bros, and firms like that ran like <i>families</i>.  When the CEO of Cantor-FitzGerald was at a dentist&#039;s appointment, on 11 Sept, 2001, and <i>nobody</i> survived, he promised to look after <i>all</i> his employees&#039; families <i>personally</i>.</p>
<p>The problem with this, obviously, is it breeds both naivete, and can turn otherwise acute judges of mathematical anomalies into fodder, when a sociopath turns up in their midst.</p>
<p>(I am <i>not</i> talking about the Israeli Mob, who are the most-brutal, most-feared, <i>worst</i> perpetrators of organised crime in the USA.  That&#039;s <i>different</i>.)</p>
<p>Bernie Madoff was smart.  He was subtle.  He was charming.  He was running legitimate businesses.  He was clearly, <i>completely</i> sociopathic.  He didn&#039;t need to break the law.  He did it for kicks and grins.  It made him feel <i>powerful</i>, to fool other people - the better-trained, and more experienced, the bigger his sense of gratification.</p>
<p>People do not <i>expect</i> sociopathy.  The truth is, <i>functional</i> sociopaths are fairly unusual.  Most of them go too far, and show their natures, before they are thirty.  One of the marks of sociopathy is usually a lack of impulse-control, and that is what tends to catch them out.</p>
<p>Bernie Madoff did not have that problem, or <i>controlled</i> it, brilliantly.  (Sociopathy tends to occur at the extremes of the IQ bell-curve.  He is definitely up with my dear ol&#039; dad, as genius sociopaths go).  Another mark is the <i>need</i> to keep doing whatever creates that sense of gratification: witness Madoff&#039;s efforts to send his money to relatives, to <i>outsmart</i> the law.</p>
<p>It is wholly <i>unfair</i> to blame the victims.  As I said. people do not <i>expect</i> sociopaths - or the world would all be insane!  (I spent decades <i>studying</i> them, to get over being the daughter of one.)</p>
<p>Madoff had <i>decades</i> to perfect his &#039;craft&#039;, which was to be the most trustworthy-appearing, most safe-seeming, most &#039;one of the Good Jews&#039;-like <i>fraud</i>, that he probably almost believed it <i>himself</i>.  The only times he would know it <i>wasn&#039;t</i> true, was when he needed a power-fix. Since he <i>had</i> impulse-control, he could wait, and let them come to <i>him</i>. </p>
<p>That he is Jewish, and bilked the Jewish community, is superficial.  Had he been African-American, he would have used the African-American paths to power, and bilked African-Americans.  He worked in the milieu which <i>worked</i> for him.</p>
<p>&#039;Daddy substitute&#039; my hat!  He was <i>such</i> a genius, that if his <i>own children</i> had not turned him in, he would <i>still</i> be at his old tricks. </p>
<p>As for who owes what to whom, that is for the law to work out, if it can.  I would say anyone who <i>knew</i> this was fraud, and profited from it, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However, I believe (because I was <i>raised</i> by a genius sociopath, and know what they are like) that <i>only</i> Madoff knew what he was doing, and even <i>he</i> managed not to think about it, most of the time.  </p>
<p>There is only <i>one</i> way to keep a secret.  That is to <i>keep</i> it.  By telling his children, Madoff either was making a subconscious decision to be caught - borne out by his reaction when the police turned up.  Or, he was testing them, to see if they would go along with his scheme.  Probably a bit of both.  </p>
<p>He fooled <i>everybody</i>.  That makes victim-blaming/infantilising rather ridiculous, doesn&#039;t it?</p>
<p>There will always be sociopaths.  Most of them are obviously not right.  Every so often, one will turn up, who bewilders everybody.  Sociopathy is a complex personality disorder, also called Anti-Social Personality Disorder.  It is completely untreatable.  The <i>extreme</i> cases are usually violent serial rape-torture-murderers, who don&#039;t get caught, until they have buried bodies in 36 States.  Some of them are not violent.  They&#039;re even <i>less</i> likely to be caught.</p>
<p>Nobody caught my father.  He died a natural death - which was the only &#039;natural&#039; thing about him.  He wasn&#039;t violent, either.  I may be one of the only people on Earth who <i>understands</i> what made him tick.</p>
<p>I haven&#039;t the first idea what caused Bernie Madoff&#039;s sociopathy, but it is <i>very</i> serious.  He needs to be locked up, and the key thrown away.  If he is paroled, even if he is 90, he will try again, and probably succeed!</p>
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		<title>By: CATSoares</title>
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		<dc:creator>CATSoares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those so-called Executives of whatever kind of instituion, conglomerate,company etc that were involved in either irresponsible management that led to their companies either going bankrupt or going to their national governments for bailouts should be brought into a &quot;Black List&quot; and forbidden to , forever, hold any managerial postions in any kind of business or government services.
the world has had enough of these &quot;superstars&quot; ( or so they think...) that could not manage their companies / portfolio properly and in their demise affected not only their employees, their shareholders but now all the taxpayers irrespectably.
Governments should stop using their countries&#039; money and let these incompetently managed companies fall, once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those so-called Executives of whatever kind of instituion, conglomerate,company etc that were involved in either irresponsible management that led to their companies either going bankrupt or going to their national governments for bailouts should be brought into a &#034;Black List&#034; and forbidden to , forever, hold any managerial postions in any kind of business or government services.<br />
the world has had enough of these &#034;superstars&#034; ( or so they think...) that could not manage their companies / portfolio properly and in their demise affected not only their employees, their shareholders but now all the taxpayers irrespectably.<br />
Governments should stop using their countries&#039; money and let these incompetently managed companies fall, once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREED is one of the 7 sins. Their seems to be a lot of that these days not to mention all the disasters and the environment. Just might be the end of days you never know,but the signs are pretty clear!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREED is one of the 7 sins. Their seems to be a lot of that these days not to mention all the disasters and the environment. Just might be the end of days you never know,but the signs are pretty clear!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incentive to fraudsters lies in the &quot;Chinese Walls&quot; between private and corporate assets. This is the time to get the world to agree to legally disregard those walls in all criminal and fraudulent cases. In other words, whatever proceeds of crime or swindle, fraud or malicious intent (add others) should always be regarded as belonging to the originator and be susceptible of recuperation, wherever they were sent or in whomever&#039;s possession they are later. This should go for directors of car companies that go bust and for bankers that speculated away whilst cashing multimillion dollar yearly paychecks. A fundamental change this way could take out the lure of  white collar crime, when the loot cannot be stashed away nor given away to family or private foundations. Politicians to be included. Utopia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incentive to fraudsters lies in the &#034;Chinese Walls&#034; between private and corporate assets. This is the time to get the world to agree to legally disregard those walls in all criminal and fraudulent cases. In other words, whatever proceeds of crime or swindle, fraud or malicious intent (add others) should always be regarded as belonging to the originator and be susceptible of recuperation, wherever they were sent or in whomever&#039;s possession they are later. This should go for directors of car companies that go bust and for bankers that speculated away whilst cashing multimillion dollar yearly paychecks. A fundamental change this way could take out the lure of  white collar crime, when the loot cannot be stashed away nor given away to family or private foundations. Politicians to be included. Utopia?</p>
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		<title>By: Mariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that the investors who made money unfairly, have to pay back so those who lost it unfairly and get some back.  Is Madoff alone, just look at his face, for sure not.  Anyone in the investment business knows the higher the returns the greater the risks, don&#039;t tell me all those investors had no idea what he was up to, what I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t know was that the bubble was going to burst when it did and that there would be panic and everyone wanted their monet back..   After all a Ponzi scheme in not a new word on the block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that the investors who made money unfairly, have to pay back so those who lost it unfairly and get some back.  Is Madoff alone, just look at his face, for sure not.  Anyone in the investment business knows the higher the returns the greater the risks, don&#039;t tell me all those investors had no idea what he was up to, what I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t know was that the bubble was going to burst when it did and that there would be panic and everyone wanted their monet back..   After all a Ponzi scheme in not a new word on the block.</p>
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		<title>By: Akachukwu Ifechukwu, Lagos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akachukwu Ifechukwu, Lagos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Madoff case again shows how high-profile individuals can obtain our trust without us asking questions. With a 12% annual returns offer coming from a former chairman of Nasdaq, surely he knows something about the market that I don&#039;t. No questions asked. How wrong.

I expect a painstaking prosecution process for Mr. Madoff. Profits made through this &quot;evil&quot; scheme MUST be returned. Madoff should be made by all legal means to disclose the whereabout of the funds and who his accomplices are - no matter how long it takes. Investors should get back ONLY their principals as there were no real transactions but shuffling of cash. Madoff is going down and his accomplices should go down with him. Period.

Madoff has shown that investor&#039;s trust and often greed can be &quot;profitably&quot; abused and exploited. Is this going to be the last? I doubt. But this is a call on regulatory agencies to keep a closer watch on investor managers/corporate institutions and how they invest investor&#039;s funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Madoff case again shows how high-profile individuals can obtain our trust without us asking questions. With a 12% annual returns offer coming from a former chairman of Nasdaq, surely he knows something about the market that I don&#039;t. No questions asked. How wrong.</p>
<p>I expect a painstaking prosecution process for Mr. Madoff. Profits made through this &#034;evil&#034; scheme MUST be returned. Madoff should be made by all legal means to disclose the whereabout of the funds and who his accomplices are &#8211; no matter how long it takes. Investors should get back ONLY their principals as there were no real transactions but shuffling of cash. Madoff is going down and his accomplices should go down with him. Period.</p>
<p>Madoff has shown that investor&#039;s trust and often greed can be &#034;profitably&#034; abused and exploited. Is this going to be the last? I doubt. But this is a call on regulatory agencies to keep a closer watch on investor managers/corporate institutions and how they invest investor&#039;s funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Dohadwala, CFA, Muscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammed Dohadwala, CFA, Muscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madoff surely could not have perpeterated the fraud alone. In September, I met their Risk Manager, stationed in the Bahamas (!) and actually asked why the odd location, and was told that it saved costs. 

The auditor was surely part of the fraud, and after the Satyam affair in India, even the Big 5 seem unable to maintain professional audit standards. 

The law must surely take its course, and the punishment should be heavy enough to discourage wanna be fraudsters from even trying. 

Going forward, whatever we have taken for granted in the financial services industry - audit, ratings, due diligence, risk models etc. should all be re-examined. 

Finally, there is no substitute for personal integrity and a sense of responsibility and respect towards enterprise owners and the public at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madoff surely could not have perpeterated the fraud alone. In September, I met their Risk Manager, stationed in the Bahamas (!) and actually asked why the odd location, and was told that it saved costs. </p>
<p>The auditor was surely part of the fraud, and after the Satyam affair in India, even the Big 5 seem unable to maintain professional audit standards. </p>
<p>The law must surely take its course, and the punishment should be heavy enough to discourage wanna be fraudsters from even trying. </p>
<p>Going forward, whatever we have taken for granted in the financial services industry &#8211; audit, ratings, due diligence, risk models etc. should all be re-examined. </p>
<p>Finally, there is no substitute for personal integrity and a sense of responsibility and respect towards enterprise owners and the public at large.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Toppin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Toppin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obviously a serious flaw in the regulatory authorities monitoring [of] the activities of so called &quot;investment advisors.&quot; Surely they would require records of investment initiatives, schemes, etc? Other countries in the world require stringent records presented each year with investors funds, amounts, returns, etc. Madoff exploited a very large gap. Are there others?? What should happen? A total siezure of all assets, gifts, personal jewellery, etc. to be sold at auction with the funds distributed to investors. Madoff should not go to jail but be given a community-based job, living on court order for the rest of his life in the poorest suburb, serving those he chose to steal from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s obviously a serious flaw in the regulatory authorities monitoring [of] the activities of so called &#034;investment advisors.&#034; Surely they would require records of investment initiatives, schemes, etc? Other countries in the world require stringent records presented each year with investors funds, amounts, returns, etc. Madoff exploited a very large gap. Are there others?? What should happen? A total siezure of all assets, gifts, personal jewellery, etc. to be sold at auction with the funds distributed to investors. Madoff should not go to jail but be given a community-based job, living on court order for the rest of his life in the poorest suburb, serving those he chose to steal from.</p>
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		<title>By: chartguy</title>
		<link>http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/04/dont-get-madoff-get-even/#comment-8839</link>
		<dc:creator>chartguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the nature of a Ponzi scheme like this that almost no investors will withdrawn funds before it collapsed. 

Of the few that did, they deserve their money. If they had the courage to withdraw money from something that had been making such a big profit, they deserve it. They walked away from what the greedy expected to be profits. If Madoff had been legitimate, nobody would have offered to pay them what they gave up, to walk away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s the nature of a Ponzi scheme like this that almost no investors will withdrawn funds before it collapsed. </p>
<p>Of the few that did, they deserve their money. If they had the courage to withdraw money from something that had been making such a big profit, they deserve it. They walked away from what the greedy expected to be profits. If Madoff had been legitimate, nobody would have offered to pay them what they gave up, to walk away.</p>
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