September 16th, 2010
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A report on Transatlantic Trends surveying attitudes in the European Union, Turkey and the U.S. show a stark contrast in attitudes on the rising economic and political might of China and India.

The report, sponsored by the German Marshall Fund in the U.S., interviewed 11,000 people in the U.S., Turkey and 11 EU nations. Respondents in the EU were particularly despondent when it came to the euro, which took a beating with sovereign debt problems earlier this year.

“There was little support for Europe’s common currency in the countries surveyed that use the euro,” the report authors said. “When asked whether using the euro has been a good or bad thing for their country’s economy, almost all majorities in the eurozone sample responded negatively.

“The euro was not appealing from the outside either. Majorities of the British (83%) and Polish (53%), and a plurality of Bulgarians (42%), thought that using the euro would be a bad thing for their economies. However, more than half of the EU respondents (57%) felt that economic difficulties in Europe should lead to greater commitment to build a stronger European Union.”

But particularly interesting was the wide gulf in attitudes across the Atlantic about Asia. Authors of the report write:

“EU and U.S. respondents were divided about the role Asia would play in global affairs. Seven-in-ten respondents (71%) in America found it very likely that China will exert strong leadership in the future, while only a third of Europeans (34%) thought the same scenario is very likely. Nevertheless, EU respondents (31%) were somewhat more likely than Americans (21%) to describe their relations with China as good.

“When asked about India, the majority of EU respondents (54%) thought it was unlikely that the world’s most populous democracy will exert strong leadership in world affairs five years from now, while 74% of Americans believed that India was likely to play a leading role.”

Half of U.S. respondents said they had enough common values with China that cooperation on international issues was likely. Two-thirds of Europeans, however, said their values are so different international cooperation with China was less likely.

All of which raises a question – why these divergent views on Asia between the EU and the U.S.?



soundoff (59 Responses)
  1. Amsterdam 1

    Not at all impressed, Predictable answers from the 11000,ordinary people are always negative in recession and positive when the economy is doing ok.waist of time reading this article,

    September 16, 2010 at 6:43 am |
  2. Thomas

    Ordinary people or not, for most if not all countries that have adopted the Euro, I believe the immediate and marked rise in prices still burns in peoples minds. I remember in Italy the government said it would prohibit retailers from jacking up prices, but they did it anyway and got away with it. Recession or not, most people remember this.

    September 16, 2010 at 7:16 am |
  3. Anand

    I have many Europeans friends and from them I learn that Europe continues to remain very divided, heirarchial and conservative society, no matter how much they might claim to be pluralist and open. Events and contradictions of the past few years in Europe have shed more light on the same. Also, Most europeans still view the world with an air of superiority and can't imagine a world with more equitable Asian powers. e.g. IMF – European countries have disprotionate voting rights as comapred to their economies but refuse to give up any votes. I don't find these results surprising

    September 16, 2010 at 7:26 am |
  4. igor

    Of course general population within eurozone right now thinks euro is bad as we had to give 110 billion to Greece and at the same time goverments everywhere are saying NO when it comes to financing domestic issues.
    Overall EURO is the only way to go as it made doing business in EU so easy the companies can now grow much faster.

    September 16, 2010 at 7:30 am |
  5. tuxman

    was the sample from business community or from consumer level ?

    September 16, 2010 at 7:31 am |
  6. saurabh prakash

    Whether the US / EU acknowledge it or not, India and China are already playing a very strong role in world affairs. It is only because they usually do it in a more subtle manner that also is non-confrontational that many ordinary citizens perceive them as not playing a strong role. Had it been political and business leaders who had been surveyed surely their replies would have demonstrated this. In any case, over time most countries will understand that the only way forward in world affairs is to take everyone along and not the unilateralism that the US (and often also EU) often resorts to. The fact that the world will soon have several economic powers will force the traditional leaders to accept and to change themselves to accommodate the ways of others. They may then also realize that it is for good reason that the methods they have long pursued have not taken them to a peaceful world. When the world realizes that, it will automatically accept the (common) leadership of the "other world" who in any case do not seek sole leadership.

    September 16, 2010 at 8:29 am |
  7. Venks India

    Can't Believe CNN lets someone write an article such as this on their website. far more detailed political and economic analysis of the shifting balance of world power is available.

    The inability to adapt to the shifting balance is why Europe will be left behind in the race for economic superiority. The US can already see the swinging pendulum and is gearing up to finding its place in the new world order. The typical western view is very partisan and on the surface. Bad infrastructure is not as big a disabler of economic momentum as is believed. In a country like India where a hole in the wall shop can repair your blackberry and can break iphone code locks is a far cry from the organised view that Europe might deem necessary to conduct business.

    September 16, 2010 at 8:31 am |
  8. Sachin

    As an Indian all I care is to be at par with others & don't aspire to be a super power. As long as all our citizens have basic needs like food, clothing, shelter, security & education I think it would be a dream come true for all of us. To an outsider India may look like a country but it is actually a world within itself with scores of religion, languages, caste & creed living together in harmony as a democratic society not to mention the numerous animals that co-exist peacefully along with man on our streets. Most Indian's are perfectly comfortable with todays world order where a country like USA & Russia remains a superpower.

    September 16, 2010 at 8:37 am |
  9. Holland

    Well I think its most unlikely. Like Amsterdam1 said. It hasn't much use of reading this article.

    The Finacel crisis would have been allot worse in Europe if the Euro wasn't there. Maybe allot of people that believe everything that is told to them think it's bad. But without the Euro. Europa didn't stood a chance to compeat with America, China or what other country. So it's only good we have it. Ofcourse there were price rices, but that happens. What would we prefer a Gulden (holland's previous money system) or the Euro. What is at least 3 time worth more then the Gulden. Ofcourse prices go up in start that is only logic.

    I think it hasn't much point of reading this. I say this as a Hollander and as a European.

    September 16, 2010 at 8:41 am |
  10. Sam D

    India & China have not at all been directly impacted by the "Financial Crisis" as severely as Europe or USA. The Western economies are also highly saturated economies unlike the two Asians. However, USA is more agile and economically more open to change and drastic measures than Europe. Europe is a snail slow policy changing, non-adaptive, narrow minded, conservative, ultra- socialist economy that repels change, does not attract the best of foreign brains and talent, and loves to live under the delusion that it still rules the world colonial style.

    September 16, 2010 at 9:16 am |
  11. Dubai

    We cannot ignore the real impact China and India are making to global economies. After all they are the handful of economies that have survived the economic crisis. The growth in GDP has been exceptional and one can only see a rise moving forward. The size of their economies themselves makes them a force to be reckoned with.

    With economies reeling under the global economic crises, the rising inflation, the natural calamities affecting so many nations, things are not going to change anytime soon.

    If europeans truly believes that Europe and US are global leaders why is it that such little has been done by them to help the flood ravished Pakistan? Especially when that is supposedly the hub for Al Qaeda.

    September 16, 2010 at 9:31 am |
  12. Jon

    I dont understand the negative comments about the surveys. Surveys are about statistical sampling and then trying to determine vectors such as differences, rates, decrease and increase by hypothesizing on impact of different variables and testing them. People seem to hate data and facts nowadays.

    Anway – I think the answer about China and India is very simple. Having spent equal time in the four years and having homes in both Barcelona and Dallas it is evident to me that China and India power are much more visible in the US than the EU. Every suburban mall in Dallas has many wealthy middle class Indians – and as I met them – many they are not even immigrants – just working over for a couple of years. In Barcelona Indian is often associated with the large Pakistani population in Ravel which is very very poor. In Spain many low cost imports are from Subsahara Africa, Turkey or South America. China's visual impact in Spain is not as much as in Dallas where I would say 90% of Wallmart, Sears seems Chinese. Even the frozen seafood in Dallas has Chinese goods – you could never imagine that in Europe.

    So even though I know what the real impact of these countries is (finance, education, defense spending, resource exploitation in Africa, steel, oil, explosive middle class growth) in reality common people dont read the Economist or Reuters. Their perceptions are based on what they see and in Spain you just dont see much India or China on the street – and I can say the same for my long project stays in Rome, Berlin, Barcelona, Paris, Warsaw and Rome. I know Im missing the very international London but most people live in places like Barcelona (or Dallas) and its from those types of people that the survey would trend.

    September 16, 2010 at 9:39 am |
  13. Rax

    To Holland....good to see that you have to put your country's name as your tag name...well...atleast someone knows about you guys....

    As far as what you have written...guess only 'Hollander' can understand it.

    September 16, 2010 at 9:48 am |
  14. Baybars

    The beaty of statistics is that it can show whatever you want, just make sure your sample is biased towards your preferred slant. Furthermore, the venerable author of this article overinflated the potentital conclusions from the quoted research, as is usuallly done by many a journalist.

    September 16, 2010 at 10:12 am |
  15. Pauling

    Kissinger's question some three decades ago remains valid today: "Who do I call when I want to speak with Europe?".

    September 16, 2010 at 10:19 am |
  16. Antje

    Don't ask people in the street. Most are too ignorant to perceive genuine advantages and many think their countries could survive without Euro or even think they could/should stay out off EU.

    Funny, how ethnic Indians think they will rule the world somehow while 90% of their population lives in poverty and suffers of a class-society. Their industry relies sololy European customers and EU technology exposed to them. The only advantage for Asian suppliers is the low cost of labour. As soon as this reaches 25% of EU levels the advantage is lost and progress will be zero.

    September 16, 2010 at 10:22 am |
  17. Rollingstone

    The ones who are not happy with the Euro most likely their currency is not Euro thus jealous, and others with Euro currency but are the ones who always complains that their failures is caused by others. nothing new under the sun. Indeed like one mentioned above in recession we are complaining and in prosperity the sky is the limit.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:15 am |
  18. Xaero

    Antje, your comment is probably the most ignorant in this section. Try reading some good reputed magazines regularly....stop making your own view point with little/no information whatsoever.
    Neither Indian nor Chinese industries rely solely on EU customers....check out some stats online... say search on Google ( that's why the 'Americans' invented it....so people like you can benefit from mining some good information :))

    September 16, 2010 at 11:18 am |
  19. European minded

    The best thing happened to Europe in the past 100 years without any doubt is the Euro.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:19 am |
  20. European minded

    To Pauling: I must conclude that Kissinger has the same problem calling Asia or Africa and America, that's he's problem.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:23 am |
  21. carlo

    let me say that the euro has been indispensable and it will be forever to keep the eu united and make things easier for businesses. I wouldn' t pay any attention at all at these survey because most of the people have no idea what the economy is or will be in the future.

    the entire Europe will be able to compete only with one currency and a second language ( english) spoken properly by every citizen so to MOVE freely and quickly around this continent for jobs and business otherwise we will be just swept away by these giants as India and China, and this is already taking place.

    europe will never fix the unemployment problem with heads of government who are actually unwilling to 100 per cent form a utterly UNITED STATES OF EUROPE.

    every member of government should give up traditions ,absolutely wrong opinions , useless rules and absurd regulations just because
    it comes in useful to someone.

    FREE THIS EUROPE TOTALLY.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:34 am |
  22. arun

    The findings and comments on them are quite interesting. The question is how much did each of the respondents know about how the global economics and politics work? And, how much did each know about how China and India are growing in both areas vis-a-vis Europe and the US?

    As a recent ex-professor of economic and political geography, and of globalization, I had found such knowledge to be severely lacking in both Europe and the US.

    Still, I suppose the opinions held by lay-persons do count for something, whatever that is.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:40 am |
  23. Claes

    I suppose Jon gets it right, street reality determines the outcome of a survey like this. And, whereas for some politicians this survey might seem important because it shows how people feel about the Euro and India or China, I doubt it is relevant for the real world. Whether people (in Europe, particularly) like it or not, India and, to a greater extent, China, play an important role in world politics. At the same time that means someone's got to give up influence. Right now, that someone is Europe. Why? Because at this time we are too busy with our own societies (immigration, social security, radical Islamists, all thrown onto a pile) to look outward, and we are generally very unwilling to see that we have become too expensive and inefficient compared to others. In other words, we gave away much of the initiative and leadership we had.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:51 am |
  24. Debby

    The European Union with a gross domestic income of the USA and China combined is right not to dwell to much on the possible emergence of India or China. We have to focus on our own unification and social cohesion.
    @ Anand, with European friends you probably mean British?
    Is not the same!

    September 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm |
  25. 4record

    Educationan & business experience of people up are not relevant( we don't know how good or bad they were in their field). This survey doesn't say much, Imagine we had no Euro and asked the same people about their currency may be they had worse outcome than now.
    At the start the Euro was lower than the $ at a certain stage 1 Euro was > $1.5, lately it decreased to $1.30 ,Journalists( often from non Euro counties) wrote about Euro failure....very very naiive.

    September 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm |
  26. Yitjal

    @Antje While you were sleeping under a rock; internet has been invented, Hybrid cars have been replacing petrol cars, Obama is the first US president, Jihads have replaced cold war, 9/11 has happened, Facebook & Twitter are the new ways in which people communicate. You will take time but I am sure you will catch up.

    September 16, 2010 at 12:44 pm |
  27. Baybars

    As for the benefits from the euro, it's wrong to think that paper money alone solves real economy issues. If everybody within eurozone was to have their own currency so that they can rely on devaluations for export-led growth, all would end up having worthless currencies and broken economies at the end of the day. Regarding low interest rates propelling real-estate credit boom in Spain and Ireland, there is the thing called capital adequacy and prudential regulations. Unfortunately, local regulators were too complacent with the credit boom as long as the Treasury was raking in taxes. They only woke up to what the credit boom really meant for the economy when they were presented with huge bail-out bills by their much-weakened financial systems.

    Turning to views on rise of Chindia (China & India), I'd say it's a matter of fact that those two countries have gone a long way over the last two decades. Yet, there is still way to go before they completely dwarf the EEC and the US in terms of sheer size of the economy and the road to that is not without obstacles. However, some pessimism is also overdone. Some argue that lack of technology is an issue. Up to a point, perhaps. However, technology transfer is becoming ever easier and maintaining a monopoly power in that space is getting tougher. Lacking infrastructure is an issue in Chindia, but that's also an opportunity, as large infrastructure investments can also help boost local growth by increasing local demand.

    Granted, the unsustainable credit and real estate boom is an issue in China and local banks may face challenges as bad loans balloon on the back of the inevitable real estate slump. Also, it is doubtful that at such break-neck pace of China's local investment growth there won't quite a few investment failures, resulting in more bad debt for the banks. That said, $2.5T of Chinese FX reserves can be used as bail-out capital pool if the need be.

    In sum, my view is that both the euro and the ever rising economic clout of Chindia are here to stay.

    September 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm |
  28. des

    i think i can see why..power cuts are still rampant in india, infrastructure is sometimes not third but almost like the 5th world...and a trip of 4kms takes about an hour....besides the numerous poor people that seem to be left behind in this new economic prosperity....take a ride through delhis embassy area and see how many indians are queing in lines just to get out...America has always been driven by vested interests...and in due time will wipe out its middle class.:-)...besides whats key to democracy is literacy ..most GOP tea party wins seem to be non issue based votes...a weak europe or america.is not good news for a country like india or china because in the long term both markets are needed because most asian companies are global players ..besides if you thought doing business in India or China is transparent take another look...also there are other things like human rights...although most chinese could argue that is in europe that the holocast took place..and america where blacks where kept as slaves...or the industrial revolution in england....i think whats key at least in 2010 is the respect for intellectual property rights, and respect for labour. and some form of accountability for human rights violations....i dont think any of these countries have done anything towards this...what i find ironical workers laboring in slave like un green conditions to produce green technologies that are then marked up 2000% and sold in Europe...but is the offender chinese or european....its like the egg and the chicken...

    September 16, 2010 at 1:10 pm |
  29. Steve Thompson

    India and China are going to play an increasing role in world politics, particularly when it comes to energy. China's energy demands now place it first in the world, ahead of the United States when it comes to overall energy consumption. Should their energy consumption reach the level of the U.S. on a per capita basis, they will require nearly 50% of the world's total daily oil output. Here's an article on China's energy demands:

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2010/08/china-now-number-1-and-number-2-part.html

    September 16, 2010 at 1:34 pm |
  30. prashant

    you cant compare Europe- a fragmented continent (held together by a wrinkled currency...and nothing else)- with USA, a homogeneous country...

    September 16, 2010 at 1:45 pm |
  31. Val

    As a European, I'm very surprised (and suspicious) of these results. In my circle, I don't think that anybody here is doubting the rise of China in the world (and India as well, to some degree). Then again, what is a "typical" European? People in the countryside in Greece or Italy may think different. The methodology and sample should be explained better. To me, it just seems like the authors did a survey and wanted to be featured on CNN...

    September 16, 2010 at 2:18 pm |
  32. Pat

    Would things really be better without the euro? I don't think so. And those price hikes 10 years ago by greedy retailers have been pretty much erased by competition and regular inflation. China's & India's huge advantage is of course their population which gives them lots of weight. But the standard of living in those countries is nothing compared to Europe or the US and it'll still take many years, even decades, for them to catch up. And they still depend largely on the Western consumer for their growth, their internal consumption still being a fraction per capita of what it is in industrialized countries.

    September 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
  33. Shashank

    I really dont care whether India plays an important role in near future. I am more concerned about people in India who still lack basic food, shelter and clothing. Corruption is so rampant that India may become No 1 in 5 years from now. We are launching a ships to moon but what about the common man. I believe more than 70% of Indian live below the poverty line. Indian leaders are you listening....Way to Go!!!

    September 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
  34. Neo

    European citizens are better educated and have a more realistic sight on the earth and care more about other countrys than americans..

    September 16, 2010 at 3:38 pm |
  35. EU

    Most people havent realised the actual power of the European Union.

    Its allready by far the biggest economy of the world. Maybe because americans only realise changes if it comes with big bang/show.

    @Pauling September 16th, 2010 10:19 am ET
    Kissinger's question some three decades ago remains valid today: "Who do I call when I want to speak with Europe?".

    Thats easy, call the bureau of the European the Union for Foreign Affairs, the bureau of Catherine Ashton.

    @Sachin
    Russia is a wannabe superpower. The cold war is long time over, the word has changed..

    September 16, 2010 at 3:49 pm |
  36. Saswata

    @Debbie: When did EU have gdp equivalent to that of USA and China combined?

    September 16, 2010 at 4:14 pm |
  37. Silver

    Americans and today's Chinese people (outside government) both believe in transformation, commerce and new outward-looking ideas. Europe has been population saturated a very long time and Europeans have greater loyalties to tradition and culture, more inward ideas.

    September 16, 2010 at 4:28 pm |
  38. Roelof

    That's because American think Hong Kong (old British colony) is China, European see China as a big communist country, where Hong Kong is relative small western part of it. In China they don't have free speech, they have child labour, execute people from time to time.

    The question should be are American aware of the policy of other superpowers, like China?

    September 16, 2010 at 4:29 pm |
  39. alien

    EURO need to wake up!don't be so arrogant\prideful. now EURO is just like a snail ,out of life.this is not colony time any more...i think it is high time to change your mind,or you will follow a road which Asia and Africa used to go through.

    September 16, 2010 at 4:43 pm |
  40. Jonathan

    Yes, India and China are playing an important role in the global economic picture. Both have shown high GDP growth every year while the western economies are struggling. But they have a long way to go to let their markets work as they do in the west. China's government controls the value of their currency and compnies cannot do business with any foreign enterprise without their government's approval. Let's not forget their citizens do not have the high living standards as the US and Europe.

    September 16, 2010 at 4:47 pm |
  41. Antje

    Dear Xaero Yitjal others, The Web (http,html) was invented by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN in Europe. hybrid cars are not replacing combustion motored cars and certainly not in developing countries like India or China, Obama is not the first US president or is he 250 years old, Jihad is not replacing Cold war or such the magnitude is much smaller of Jihad, facebook twitter etc are nonsense inventions of childish level of which nothing will be heard in some 5-10 years.
    Actually I was on Internet long before 99% of the current consumer users who, like Xaero Yitjal and others, usually think they are very clever using other people's inventions and work.

    September 16, 2010 at 9:13 pm |
  42. Roelof

    Germany wants Dutch to work in their country. Our economies are doing just fine. America sucks.

    Your great Fed is killing you. China is laughing their ass off (for the moment, they are going down aswell). Good luck with inflation.

    September 16, 2010 at 11:38 pm |
  43. Bharat Shah

    India is a joke
    India will never play a role as superpower.
    A country where 260 million people are considered less then animals
    and are treated as trash cannot, should not and will never be a superpower.

    September 17, 2010 at 8:40 am |
  44. Henk

    Let`s see. EU GDP 16.5 Trillion in 2009. US GDP 14.2 Trillion in 2009. Eastern EU nations have a lot of room for economic growth, especially now that their in the EU and receiving billions in stimulus each year. Further more 70+ Million Turkey is on the list to join the EU as are 4 or 5 other nations. Ukraine is also predicted to become EU member within 12 Years. Even Russia could become a member as some officials are already talking about it. The EU could also expand to included some North African nations. All in all the EU is already the worlds largest Economy and it has enormous room to grow. Both in population and it`s Economy with new nations joining and less developed nations catching up. I say Europe is here to stay whether anyone likes it or not. Also the Euro is a currency like no other. Of course there will be problems. But they will study and learn to improve it, don`t forget that. And also don`t forget the Euro is at 1.30 While it was around the 1 on 1 with the dollar when it started. Who is the weak currency here?

    September 17, 2010 at 9:39 am |
  45. someone

    Antje.. Why are you so angry. Why is everyone so angry.

    In fact its not their fault and not in their hands, thats what we have been told since we were young. To dislike people who are different and have false pride.

    Whats in our hands is how we have less hatred and more acceptance/ correct judgement of what is actually right or wrong.

    Why cant we all think of helping each other without being asked and simply all be equal powers in the future.

    Lets start something new.

    September 17, 2010 at 10:05 am |
  46. dongfanghong

    I got nothing against Europe or India, it's America that China has to watch out for. Long live the old world, haha.

    September 17, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
  47. wang

    Outside China, most people don't really have a thorough comprehension about how severe the internal challenges the totalitarian, extremely corrupted communist regime is facing. The only reason that the communists can still maintain their rule of China is the rapid rising of living standard in the past 30 years. Should that start having problems, the government will be in big trouble.

    Without addressing the internal challenges successfully, which I cannot see how, China will have little chance to really play big leading roles on world stage.

    September 18, 2010 at 2:26 pm |
  48. hachimada

    "31% of EU respondents (31%) and 21% Americans describe their relations with China as good". That's amazing. It seems that China is in a very hostile environment, and it makes its economic achievement a miracle. Not a country can survive in that hostile environment, let alone growing fast.

    September 18, 2010 at 10:03 pm |
  49. hachimada

    Rapidly raising people's living standard is the basic goal of all governments. Any government who failed to deliver that can hardly be described as a good one. That's why western "big-mouth" politians want to do everything to stop China's development as it makes them look less worthy.

    September 19, 2010 at 10:57 am |
  50. mobileone

    In comparing India, China, USA and Europe, has anyone here examine how each of these counties invest in building and maintaining the infrastructures – un road, highways, subway, rail, both normal and high speeds, ports, airports.

    Economic power would depend on how much per capital each country have in term of infrastructure – without which economic activities cannot be sustained.

    The other thing to look at is how many engineers/scientist has each of these countries produced a year.

    September 19, 2010 at 12:28 pm |
  51. hindustani

    i reply about india...
    someone told in india....90% poor people lived there...i would like respectfully tell him.....just month a go...in city Bobmbay one commercial place sold...more than $3000 per sq.feet.....and average rate about multistoried building single flate more than $1 million ...at least....and that kind scenario is all over country's big cities.....u tell about poor...i am agree with u.....but here all goverment doing many things...like economical benefits...free study benifites...living..and all kind of benefits but someone want to stay poor ...how can others do for them....
    tell about american desi population.....i am agree with almost all indian here....stong middle class...we can not ignore abot american people and government support....but all indian live here peacefully...they speak good english..non-violent....and they pay higher taxes...

    September 21, 2010 at 12:28 pm |
  52. George

    Polls are 'biased' you get answers by the way you ask the question or what questions you ask, as result I don't really trust the results!!

    September 22, 2010 at 1:04 pm |
  53. Herald

    Reading the comments here I'm absolutely appalled. Why would Europeans want to emulate economies that result in living conditions so clearly very much inferior to those in Europe?

    Where the US is concerned, communities stop paving roads and turn off the streetlights, social security is next to non-existent, as a result of this 1% of the population are in prison (they are not going to roll over and die just because they can't obtain any money legally), and when finally someone proposes to institute universal healthcare instead of saying "finally" they protest it as "socialist". Wow.

    Don't get me started on India or China, where a large percentage of the population are so poor they don't know where their next meal is going to come from.

    I don't think anyone in Europe is interested in the EU (or their country) playing a more important role in the world. We basically just want to be left alone and hope that the others don't do anything stupid enough to concern us as well.

    September 23, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
  54. Gandalf

    Well the good ole €. UK will never join if the people are given a Referendum vote on joining. So Politicans would prefer not to and have thier own vote as they did on the EU Constitution due to fear the UK Pop would reject it.

    Euro is good if your in Northern Europe with a huge Manf base, Industry as you have a captured market to export to, but as is now happening if your in the Med group, things get tough as you cant devalue when economics cripples your tourism industry and debts pile up on due to unsustainable social benefit prgms, corrupt expense systems and cstly project fuelled by too much debt. Which as in Greece the population have been protesting (Corruption) over as well as the manipulation to be able to jon in the 1s place .

    Did you knw when your an MEP (member of the EU Parliament) you sign in to the Brussles Parliament by writing your name down and then you get your daily living allowance then you can leave for the day and enjoy yhe wines, food and travel Come back abd sign out Next day sign in again!
    Great Job.

    The expense systems Must be fully exposed and a public inquiry on the cost to the EU TaxPayer...

    The UK to join the Euro... wer an Island race. As Churchill once said 'wer in Europe but not a part of it, wer with Europe but not for Europe etc' Until the current federal idiology of this massive United States of Europe is truly a culturally protected and Federal laws stop continuing to create harmoginous rules and regulations, prescribed rules on a size of a sausage etc so as to preserve each countries own rich and special national identities, joiners are truly economically stable (excludes the UK) with enforced fiscal policies (Germany and France both have in the past refused to pay fine for breaching these) then as before (as the Euro has been done 3 time n the past) it will continue to have a difficult ride or countries will be forced to leave to save what is left of thier economies, Or EU tax payers will have to bail out the guilty....

    September 24, 2010 at 8:56 am |
  55. Theju

    Here the question is whether India and China will play a key role in global affairs or not.

    Well I agree with most of the comments on India and China continuing to have a very low per capita income than the US and Europe. But the sheer size of their economies, population, energy consumption, defence budgets and levels of pollution (which will be significant by 2015) will force the World to look at them carefully.

    All these I think will make them key players on a global scale

    September 28, 2010 at 11:01 am |
  56. Sebastian

    Seems to me that this Leadership theme is more like a US hobby. The US wanted to rule the world, and export their vision of democrazy, neo-liberlism. Now the powers in the world are changing so fast, only US people can be so afraid of Asian Leadership. They see China and India from their own point of vieuw. In Europe people have had a big trauma by this Leardership idea's because of WW2. In Europe, a co-operation of many cultures people are not afraid of working together with other nations. BTW, referring to Europe's colonial history is a bit old fashioned, I think. Europe has paid a big prize for it.

    September 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm |
  57. Pious

    The World Bank estimates that 456 million Indians (41.6% of the total Indian population) now live under the global poverty line of $1.25 per day (PPP). Yes they are poor.But think about the other side. 58% of population is about 68 million. Though India and china have very low living standards both combined they cover 37 % population.That's a huge market with my own business eye.World bank expects a reduction in poverty by 200 million.If I could sell 1 $ item to those.I would be rich.Chinese imports are 1.01 trillion.

    Well if u are a big buyer you have some power.That makes them powerful enough to bargain better policies.But that doesn't mean they will rule the world.I guess world ahead is not a world ruled by a nation.I think Nobody is going to have a clear power as it used to be.

    Ha for those who think India and china are completely depend on exports.Indian economy GDP is $1.250 trillion (nominal: 11th; 2009)[2]
    $3.526 trillion (PPP: 4th; 2009). $176.5 billion export that's about 5% on PPP 14 % on nominal gdp. That's why Indian economy is not shaken by recession. Yes chinese economy is bit more fragile. That's about 24%. That's why it had some troubles.

    Those who still think India and china are ignorable. Read some economic magazines and news papers.Most of them hope that these growing economies will drag us out of this crisis. This research itself proves that these countries are getting some respect even if they are poor or corrupt.In new world nobody can stand alone now.Everything happens around any corner of the world will affect all of us, no matter what country or origin we are from.

    September 30, 2010 at 12:23 am |
  58. icons pack

    Between us speaking, you should to try look in google.com

    October 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm |

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