October 12th, 2010
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Hong Kong, China (CNN) - When I cover business and economics in China, I always remind myself of one astonishing fact – the market reforms initiated by Beijing in 1979 have pulled more people out of poverty “than all the aid programs we have seen throughout the world,” as Stanford economist Paul Romer recently put it.

In 1981, about 85 percent of Chinese were living on less that $1 a day; by 2005, only 15.9 percent of the population was living in extreme poverty. During that time 600 million people – or 10 percent of the population of the planet – escaped poverty in China.

This year, China eclipses Japan as the world’s second largest economy. Rather than doing a victory lap, Beijing is beset by a raft of new problems.

Chinese leaders face extraordinary international pressure to let its currency rise faster in value and abandon its loose peg to the U.S. dollar. The U.S. and European chambers of commerce have recently released reports claiming it is harder for foreign multinational companies to do business in China.

When Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao was in Europe last week, individual nations lined up to try to cement lucrative trade deals with the Asian giant while the European Union collectively spanked China for its currency value.

Speaking before the Greek parliament – which gratefully accepted $5 billion in financial help from Beijing for its shipping industry – Wen addressed this point by saying that China remains a developing nation despite its progress.

"Although China's total GDP and external trade are among the largest in the world, the basic reality about China - a populous country with a weak economic foundation and uneven development - has not changed," Wen said, according to China’s state-run Xinhua news service. He pointed out that China’s per capita GDP is only one-eighth of Greece’s and that poor people in China number three times that of the entire population of Greece.

So – China is a de facto leader in the world economy, yet still struggles on an individual level compared to populations in the developed economies of North America and Europe. And yet emerging markets, led by China, are pulling the world economy out of recession – a scenario never seen before.

It almost seems there needs to be a third way to describe China – neither developed (which describes its impact on the global economy) nor developing (which describes the average wealth of its citizens). Can China have it both ways?

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  1. l

    inside : no food to eat for poor people ; outside : asking for prostitute for them

    October 12, 2010 at 7:42 am |
  2. 4AllJustice

    The Real story about China in thes last Century, What the Comunist Chinese Party has been Doing in China http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8oaUepvc70&feature=player_embedded

    October 12, 2010 at 7:47 am |
  3. maya

    Yes, China Can & Should have it both ways!!! Don't you Americans always Wants & Gets both ways weather you deserve it or not? Like right now, you take Chinese money, yet pointing all your own trouble at them...

    You think you can always get your both ways? Think again this time.

    October 12, 2010 at 7:49 am |
  4. hanoi22

    China is unique and has to face so many problems, at this stage of its development. These challenges include global warming, currency, human rights, workers rights etc. At the same stage of development in western countries, not all these problems needed to be faced. In my opinion the Chinese government, so far has done a good job of balancing everything, and improving on all fronts.

    Not only that but I feel the government is not driven by ideology, but rather by pragmatism. I also think the Chinese government do see the need for democracy at some point in China.

    However, not only economically, but also politically, when democracy does come to China it will be in a third way, or as they may put it: "democracy with Chinese characteristics". A country of 1.3billion people cannot be run by a democracy such as the U.S. There will be a third way.

    I hope people understand that this generation of Chinese are enjoying many freedoms, have a better life, and also have many responsibilities. Now is not the time they want democracy.

    October 12, 2010 at 8:02 am |
  5. zhang jua guang

    Now,Chana is develeping in a very fast speed ,but ti will not continue ,because Chinese communist will ditroy it,just like 1965-1975

    October 12, 2010 at 8:19 am |
  6. Zhou Jin

    Use premier Wen's word's "When a large number is divided into 1.3 billion, it becomes tiny; when a tiny problem multiply by 1.3 billion, it becomes a big problem"

    October 12, 2010 at 8:23 am |
  7. OMG

    omg, this is first time i comment on cnn. i dont know why usa alway wana"help China country for developing democracy", any "wishful thinking", will currency on current pressure on china can fix all your country's trouble, find your own reason by yourself. as for global warming the west countries alway wana put pressure on china it all of your developed countries should bear more responsibilites not china the global warming caused is results of developed countries not china

    October 12, 2010 at 8:40 am |
  8. sinotony

    For ordinary people, it is developing country, but for officials, it is developed country.

    Government taxes people so much money, but we just get few service.

    So if CPC can determine to abandon high corruption and moderate democracy. it will be a great party in history.

    I believe in CPC make can make change themselves in order to get respect from th bottom heart of chinese, not apparently

    October 12, 2010 at 8:42 am |
  9. 4AllJustice

    hanoi22, Why do you think there are so many problems in the first place?

    Because Chia is run by the CCP and Corruption Bribery Deceipt and Controled Media makes the suitable evoirement for greed and trampling.. ....of envoiremnt, human rigths etc etc etc

    China really needs to ge rid of the Chinese Comunist Party

    October 12, 2010 at 8:50 am |
  10. Eric

    Can any else country like China in the world to support a 1.3 billion populations and bring most of them out of poverty within a few decades?

    October 12, 2010 at 9:00 am |
  11. hondly

    i only say that,now china has been managed very good,by the Communist. sb want to come ture some goals by the article

    October 12, 2010 at 9:11 am |
  12. guanxi

    Is America schizophrenic or gay? Is she bipolar or afflicted with Multiple Personality Disorder? Is she Republican or Democrat? Is she black or white? Is she from Harlem, the Bronx, Brooklyn, downtown LA or Beverly Hills? Is she Henry David Thoreau or George Bush?

    October 12, 2010 at 9:12 am |
  13. Ben

    China and its people are quite unique. You can never measure something or someone by the same standard. The question is: Is China a developed country? The answer to this question is not a definite yes or a no. The real answer I think is this. Yes and no. Since China is a huge nation in term of landscape and population, certain areasunder chinese flag are yes well developed. But many area in China is still developing. So to put it as simple as it gets is think. Yes only in certain part of area is developed.

    The question is too vast therefore the answer can never be fulfilling.

    October 12, 2010 at 9:22 am |
  14. kingping

    yep

    October 12, 2010 at 9:23 am |
  15. sweety pie

    Ask Mickey Mouse – Almost everything sold in the Disney Parks is made in China!

    October 12, 2010 at 10:01 am |
  16. hachimada

    There shouldn't be any argument about "developing country" status. It's only sensible to use per capita GDP to measure a country's level of development, and China has a long way to go.

    That's the reason why we Chinese want to see a continued momentum of the current economic growth and to see more people receive benefit from that.

    October 12, 2010 at 10:06 am |
  17. Alex

    To be able to lift 600 million people out of poverty in two decades is the stuff of legends. Democracy will eventually come to China, its just a matter of time. A step by step process. China had all the predispositions to become an another impoverished, war torn country without any glimmer of future or hope. But instead did a economic miracle.
    Modern day China is faced with problems that affect many if not all modern day developed/developing countries. But I feel these problems are most of the time only written about China.

    October 12, 2010 at 10:12 am |
  18. Carolyn E Powell

    I dont know but what I do know is I want to know what HSBC got to do with me

    October 12, 2010 at 10:14 am |
  19. jimmysheep

    I do believe so, but the country is not just as what the leaders said. See their people and the media, you will see more about poverty.

    October 12, 2010 at 10:40 am |
  20. Liuxiaoping

    Of course China is a developing country.you only eye on the rich,
    but for ordinary citizens,we are poor.the average wages of our chinese ordinary workers is only about 300 dollars.we must afford expensive rent,food and so on.we cannot buy a housethis is China,Giant skyscrapers and slums,nobel and humble........

    October 12, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  21. Soyuz

    Doesn't matter, the question / discussion this article poses.

    China's got the riches now and US is going to beg it from China.

    Instead of trying to character assassin China, I think it will be better for USA to go and look for job in Chinese owned companies. That will be time worth spent instead of reading this article and churn over past propaganda against communism.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:09 am |
  22. yes i do think so

    yes i am agree with u hanoi22, we all need democracy but it is not the time. we dont need ideology we need pragmatism.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:20 am |
  23. plutus1900

    China is obviously a developing country with it per capital income ranking 107 of the world.The western foreigners' income here is 10 times higher than us here. That is why many of US companies set their manufactures here.The Americans and their government are accusing us all the time for human right.but think about it, we are doing the much more work with only one tenth of the salary .Is that fair??Are we Chinese ppl inferior beings so we got less paid.It is afterall one nation of people exploiting another.The American and foreigner companies set those high poluting factories in our country and blatantly accused us for creating more carbon.
    A very ironic case is that the American increase tyre tax on china.and accuss us for dump tyres to America.but soon they found out 75% of tyres here are produced by US tyre manufactue companies.If they levy high tax on these "highly poluting" product from China, they will have to go back poluting it's own country.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:28 am |
  24. Pbt

    @hanoi22 But how are we to trust such a statement if China does not have free speech and democracy?

    October 12, 2010 at 11:31 am |
  25. Henry Akeni

    I think all developing nations the world over should emulate the Chinese model. One, whose foundation is built on discipline, hard work and a visionary leader. If the world would see an overtake of the US in terms of economic development and real market size, i think Chine is set to fill that position. From an impoverished state in the 70s to a giant that can compete with the west in almost all fronts.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:36 am |
  26. weijie

    文章写的不错,其实我们有很多人已经生活改善了很多了。现在我身边的很多朋友,都希望生活能想现在一样,稳定!民主自由什么的,现在我们也不会在意,因为现在我们已经有令我们满足的自由了。不是我们愚昧,甘愿接受统治,而是我们知道,什么事情都是需要时间去改变的,不能一蹴而就。希望大家能给中国更多的时间去改变。
    因为英语水平有限,只能中文发表评论,请谅解。

    October 12, 2010 at 11:37 am |
  27. Joe Public

    Hanoi22:

    It's ludicrous to say 1.3 billion people cannot be governed by democracy. But a more important point is: should china be governed by democracy given the democracy's tendencies to have unending war ? I think it is better for china to find a different and better way where they bring unending peace to the world. I believe they will bring us that.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:43 am |
  28. Chris Bloor

    I have been to China 16 times and lived there for up to 100 days at a time. have also lived in the USA and visited there many times. ONLY in China am I safe to alk the streets at night without fear of getting mugged, shopt at or attacked.

    Heck – in LA even my Hotel warned me NOT to walk 1000 meters down the street to buy pizza "Because you could get mugged"

    The current Chinese government really is doing a great job and has lots of genuine and well-deserved respecton the ground.

    October 12, 2010 at 11:50 am |
  29. Qwerty

    China is the arrogant, authoritarian, totalitarian country, and is also looking for the last imperialist Great Powers.
    China is far from democratic country. Further more, China is the enemy of democracy.

    October 12, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
  30. yuki

    if i m being biased i ll say china is a developing country , however if u went to any chinese city before u ll never say this ,

    October 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm |
  31. emma

    Yes, I believe they have every reason to be considered a developing country based on characteristics used in determining a country under this category. So it scale shouldn't carry us away blindly, with such a huge population – what do you expect ? for it economy to be like that of nigeria or Egypt? US has the largest economy among developed countries and world atlearge because of it population followed by Japan by then too because of their respective huge population, so too will China if they keep growing fast – and will ultimately gained that top spot. Don't confuse the Chinese people into thinking they've attained a developed stage and thus stop growing rapidly. Chinese economy is still a third of that of US with a population four times that of US, so how then do you try into making them think they're developed.

    Isn't this a way to hold them back. For sure Chinese leaders and planners are intelligent enough and would hold unto the developing nation status even after becoming the world largest economy, so that atleast the trend can a bit change. developing nation advising or telling developed once how to properly run their individual economies. Doesn't this sound interesting?

    October 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm |
  32. Shi

    China has many problems to solve, such as poverty, environment pollution, instability of society, injustice of wealth allot. Though Indeed China has a powerful economy on first glance, actually it is the giant base number of population that determines. I am confused that how western countries can overlook this simple fact. Instead, they just point all their problems at Chinese people.

    October 12, 2010 at 12:48 pm |
  33. Stranger

    Yeah, surely it's a developing country and is craftily craving 2-B-1 of the most developed countries.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
  34. kk

    On the contrary,this is just the time we want democracy than any other time,we cann't even get any information about such as the name of nobel peace winner this year and so on from chinese internet.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm |
  35. Mehunglow

    Lived in China all of 2009. Big cities are thriving but go a few miles outside these cities and you are thrown into destitution and poverty to rival any third world countries. I've never seen a country with such a huge disparity between the have's and the have not's.
    The government is very proud of pulling so many people out of hunger, as they should be, and they do have vision for their future; but there are so many forces at work that far bigger problems are choking this country; pollution and overall filth are horrific, traffic and congestion are becoming commonplace, standardized education that rewards rote memorization using little to no imagination and creative problem solving, no options for mentally disabled or those with mental health issues, and a government with no shame who prefers to rule with an iron fist.
    If they had 1/4 of their population we wouldn't give them a second glance; but like all countries they are doing their best but in my opinion they are dismally behind any semblance of a progressive society and culture.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm |
  36. Zotjaji

    Yup we Still Believe in communism Power.

    Most communism powers Possible in the World.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:33 pm |
  37. killer

    I just want to say there will be many changes coming from China. this is a great period. the growing market inspires many countries that are willing to be sucessful.

    October 12, 2010 at 1:46 pm |
  38. gminosabi

    China will need a more democratic system in the future. Not now, China is in a transition phase that needs time to transform.
    For those who are calling out for democracy in China. You look at India, they have 60 years 'head' start and where are they now?? If a democratic system is so much better, shouldn't they be much better off then China? Or even Brazil?? Big countries with large 'poor' and 'uneducated' populations, democracy is not really a solution...
    People who calls out for democracy in China, basically don't really want China to succeed....

    That is not to say that eventually China will not be a more democratic and fairer country. Knowing the Chinese, they will get it eventually...

    October 12, 2010 at 1:56 pm |
  39. hanoi22

    @Joe public

    I meant democracy as we would know it in the west: directly electing our national governments. This won't happen in China I think.

    Instead the local politicians up to provincial level will be elected.

    @Pbt

    At the moment China is saying it will appreciate its currency slowly over time. It is resisting calls for more drastic action. And it is keeping its word. Proof of this is that the ratings agencies are considering increasing China's credit rating because they believe they are sincere and are taking action.

    The same applies to political reform. Wen Jia Bao has said political reform is necessary for the future development of Chinese society. This too will also happen gradually over time, and again the government will not cave into pressure to move any faster that is in the best interests of China.
    ____

    I hope all of you can find someway of translating what weijie has written. His is the true view of Chinese young people. I won't translate all but basically he said:

    Chinese young people are not ignorant, but they accept the law for now. They want a stable life which they have now He believes democracy is essential, but now is not the time, and it cannot happen over night. He hopes people can give China a chance.

    你太好!

    October 12, 2010 at 2:04 pm |
  40. Irene

    This article is well written and the view is fair balanced. I think we need to look China in a more positive way rather than currently often used enforcement approach from outside China (e.g. push the devaluation of its currency or western style of democracy). Sure China needs to gradually change its political system however this should be adopted in a way suitable for their country's situation in their own speed – they know well the urgency of smooth transition. I think, western society should be more emphasize on the positive side of China, which will have a lot positive effects to encourage Chinese smooth transitions.

    October 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm |
  41. cao jin hai

    as a chineese I'm proud of my conntry ,bu alse it's with a lot problem
    liberity , democracy ......yes we need but our country need timeto change and improve it

    October 12, 2010 at 2:42 pm |
  42. cao jin hai

    china is a great country ,

    October 12, 2010 at 2:48 pm |
  43. choe_mu_seon

    China is a "developing country" when it comes to asking for foreign aid and economic benefits.

    October 12, 2010 at 2:54 pm |
  44. xinren8

    Chinese are smart. No matter how rich they are, they will continue to claim that they are a poor country. This way they can reap more benefits and concessions from the world.

    October 12, 2010 at 3:07 pm |
  45. GFSK1

    If you have only visited Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, you may think this is developed country.

    If you go to more places there, you'll find that this is a 10% developed while 90% developing county, which means developing country...

    October 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm |
  46. ObamaBush

    China is able to achieve its "communist paradise" because the West allowed it to. No Western market for China's slave labour goods, no miracle for the Communist party is taking all the credit for.

    China still relies on Western consumerism for its survival. I don't know why people think China helped the the world avoid a recession, we're still in it and no amount of exports from China is going to change that.

    China is developing when it suits their interests, its developed when they let their ego get the better of them.

    October 12, 2010 at 4:39 pm |
  47. sagar

    I would like to question- What is the meanin of a developed nation?

    Does it only mean its cities displaying layers of skyscrapers ? -bullying of other smaller nations -having devastating weapons inits arrsenal.

    October 12, 2010 at 5:06 pm |
  48. vernonique danneels

    it is so ridiculous to strat an article comparing the dollar of 1981 and 2010
    what could you do with that amount of money IN china (and in the world) in that time and today
    if we have to read this kind of articles by specialsits i'm sure we are manipulated from a to b and back again

    October 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
  49. qin andy

    it's not 1.3billion, it's at least 1.5billion of chinese
    ...
    weijie: 你们一定有很多人已改善了,又你们太喜欢说:“中国大,中国人很多。。。“ 你说的”多“可能只有几百万人

    October 12, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
  50. Kit

    To Weijie: My chineses is poor but I still managed to understand your comment. I think it's touched many points and views, only if the readers from Western countries could understand you that would be better.

    We interpret our world as we see it. So many people understand present ideology as it is, black and white. The grey zone is unthinkable to people in the extreme. Chinese should decide their own course of direction in the best interest of their own people and country, and the foreigners should stay out of it.

    October 12, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
  51. Bill Rich

    There is a very simple rule for deciding whether it is a developed or developing country:

    Just look at the line up in front of embassies and consulates. If the line for those want to leave the country is longer than the one who wants to enter the country, it is developing.

    And when I see the line up in front of the Chinese Embassy in DC and the line up in front of the US consulate in Shanghai, I some how got the answer.

    October 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm |
  52. DR

    WE NEED TO SWITCH POWER , AMERICAN HAVE HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY HAVENT BEING ABLE TO DO NOTHING BUT ROB AND HUMILLIATE THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD . SHAME ON YOU.... BECAUSE THOSE COUNTRY THAT YOU HAVE MARGINATE FOR DECADE GOING TO TURN ON U.

    October 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm |
  53. LOL

    Dude, if Japan, Korea, and Taiwan can be rich and modernized, China can took.

    An industrialized China will be equivalent to Two (2) European Unions combined in terms of GDP, population, Market size, GDP per capita.

    October 13, 2010 at 2:03 am |
  54. Rieka

    劉先生,慶祝的獲諾貝爾獎。 祝賀劉曉波奪得今屆諾貝爾和平獎。」Congratulations to Mr. Liu Xiaobo Nobel Prize!

    October 13, 2010 at 2:22 am |
  55. Lee li

    It describe the reality.China have made a huge progress in thoes years and more people can enjoy their lifes with higher qualities.We can not ignore these truth,it is owe to the Communist Party of Chinese.While at the same time ,with more and more problems emerging ,it is time to face them now.Here we are under more and more pressure for house&Car and everything modern.We all know the corruption in the CPC,but we can do nothing to change it for we are only citizens and it is the reason that I sometimes hate this country.I hope the CPC can take more responsibility to improve our life and I hope there are another premier as zhurongji not wen!

    October 13, 2010 at 2:26 am |
  56. Lee li

    I really want to talk with foreigners about anything with China no matter you want to criticise or praise it .If someone is interested with it ,please contact narutolili@gmail.com

    October 13, 2010 at 2:31 am |
  57. xubing

    There is no way to let Chinese currency appriciate. the Americans enjoy their life but Chinese pay for them.

    October 13, 2010 at 7:37 am |
  58. WONDER01

    Ah,anyhow,I don't like living here,dislike the governmnet,dislike the Party.

    October 13, 2010 at 8:20 am |
  59. eggflip

    The story of China is the story of humanity; they truly cannot be separated. It is reasonable that so much of the world's citizen's are very, very displeased that the nature of globalism has resulted in further economic disparities between rich and poor, which becomes much more starkly obvious with the new inter-connected age in which we are all a part of. This is the time in history where people will either choose to work against each other, which will signal the beggining of a long, or short decline of human civilisation, both economically, environmentally and of civil society (I do accept that a very limited form of civil society exits in current china), or it will be an age frought with extreme vulnerability and sensitivity as we try and work towards a common future, which is surely the only true future for humans on earth. China does a great service to humanity by pointing out the inhumane practices of global capitalism, it does an equally great disservice to its own citizens by denying them human rights (under the pretence of wishing to avoid an economic derailment as occured in Russia after the disbanding of the USSR), a pretense which is not provable and diminishes what should have been a very positive standing of China in the world. (western countries that criticize China's environmental practices are guilty of extreme hypocrisy).
    China, together with the United States (the only Military superpower on earth) will either lead the planet towards a golden age of equity, environmental responsibility and peace, or towards further separation and animosity, which could possibly result in human suffering seen on a scale which is unimaginable, as the earth's population rockets towards 9 billion by mid century combined with climatic catastrophe and insufficient resources. The future cannot be 'red' without first being 'green'. After all, they exist in a subordinate relationship; human civilisation is a subsidiary of the environment; not the other way around.

    -I love a sunburnt country. Peace.

    October 13, 2010 at 8:29 am |
  60. typhoon

    I'm writing this comment from Japan.
    The television media and the Democratic Party in Japan are controlled to China. A lot of Japanese are cheated by the television and have voted for the Democratic Party. The television and the Democratic Party in Japan will destroy Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between Japan and the United States of America, and make China take over Japan.

    October 13, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
  61. S S Pang

    weijie October 12th, 2010 11:37 am ET

    文章写的不错,其实我们有很多人已经生活改善了很多了。现在我身边的很多朋友,都希望生活能想现在一样,稳定!民主自由什么的,现在我们也不会在意,因为现在我们已经有令我们满足的自由了。不是我们愚昧,甘愿接受统治,而是我们知道,什么事情都是需要时间去改变的,不能一蹴而就。希望大家能给中国更多的时间去改变。
    因为英语水平有限,只能中文发表评论,请谅解。

    Let me try to help Weijie. I think he speaks for a vast majority of Chinese in China and a lot of well-wishers for China outside China.

    "The article is not bad. In fact, the life of many of us have improved a lot. I have many friends who all hope that life can remain as it is – Stable. What is democracy and freedom? We don't really care, because we already have satisfactory freedom. Not that we are stupid, willing to be controlled, but we know that everything needs time to change. It can be done with the twitch of an eye. I hope all of you can give China more time to change.

    My English standard is limited. I can only use Chinese to comment. Sorry,"

    Liuxiaobo, Organisers of Nobel Prize, Please take note. Be sensitive to those who want peace!

    S S Pang ( Malaysia)

    October 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm |
  62. S S Pang

    It can be done with the twitch of an eye. I hope all of you can give China more time to change.

    Sorry, it should be "It can't be done with...."

    October 13, 2010 at 2:53 pm |
  63. Bookwerm

    We must extricate ourselves from the slimy all encompassing embrace of the " if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" economy that is China today. They make their currency weak, so we get drawn their to build everything, but now we are held hostage.

    China is ready to exert its economic muscle. Its embargo of rare earths to Japan is the shot across the bow of 1st world Earth. It is ready to do battle, in the sea and in the banks.

    We must arrange things so that they cannot hurt us.

    Create robust supply chains, do not permit to much dependence on any one source. Coordinate this with the EU and other 1st world countries. As is often the case, "monoculture" is the cheapest way to grow crops.. until a single disease ends that crop. Instead we must diversify and have multiple supply chains, not depend economically on just one country too much. We must retain key industrial technologies in the US, at least as small scale that can be scaled up, as there very likely will be a day when, due to oil shock, boat shortage, currency collapse or conflict, that we cannot and will not be able to rely on an external country.

    China can and must adjust it's currency.

    If they do not, we must add equivalent tariffs to account for the artifically low value of said currency, and use the funds to provide tax breaks to domestic production of toasters and rare earths!

    I would prefer that we never ended diplomatic relations and recognition of Taiwan, as they are a democracy, versus the autocracy and civil rights sore that is mainland China. However, what is done is done. What matters now is how we proceed.

    October 13, 2010 at 5:05 pm |
  64. Fwang

    Developing or developed country can be said both whenever China thinks beneficial . Only American morons will ask the question. Does that matter ?

    October 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm |
  65. Candy

    Chinese do NOT have freedom of speech.
    Chinese are NOT equal under the low.
    Chinese do NOT have social security system.
    Chinese do NOT have fundamental human rights.

    China is militarist.

    October 13, 2010 at 7:10 pm |
  66. Bill Rich

    "It's ludicrous to say 1.3 billion people cannot be governed by democracy. "

    This is, of course ludicrous. Countries close to that size are being governed by democracy. But it is impossible for Chinese to govern 1.3 billion Chinese by democracy. The ability, the desire to govern, and the desire to be governed by democracy, the basic ingredient for a successful democracy, is lacking in China. And I don't see how this ability and desire can be improved under the current regime.

    October 13, 2010 at 11:16 pm |
  67. iamp1987

    I am a chinese. My country has a great number of problems now,such as education, housing,food hygiene,etc.but these challenge are temporary and will be solved as devlopment of economic and political reform.Political Reform is deadly needed now .China is great country and will change the world.

    October 14, 2010 at 2:33 am |
  68. chris wilkinson

    China, while statistically first, is not even close to the levels of advancement in the United States and other modern countries. When comparing statistics, adjusted per capita, China and the U.S are usually pretty even as far as technology. However, when it comes to quality of life, China cannot compare. How "modern" can a country be if 15% of its people live in extreme poverty? Sorry, wrote an essay on this about two weeks ago.

    October 14, 2010 at 3:03 am |
  69. Patriya

    They dont even close to the level of developing country. China hide their terrible things. There are many backword areas. BTW they make my country drought by their selfish barrage. The goverment is bad but their people are pity.

    October 14, 2010 at 6:08 am |
  70. Patriya

    "China is great country and will change the world."

    I think they change the world by their idiot and greedy currenycy rate.

    October 14, 2010 at 6:11 am |
  71. hanoi22

    It is good to see many Chinese commenters here. I hope people are taking notice of the majority view from them.

    @Bill Rich

    Which countries are you referring to? India??

    First India's population is not nearly as big as China's.

    Second, even if Indian's have a vote. What difference has it made? People living in the country side in China on farms or the poor in the cities, sure are a lot happier than people living in slums in India. Are they supposed to feel happy with their vote and their "freedom" while living in slums??

    China on the other hand, does not have a democracy, yet. But its people's lives are improving all the time, in reality they probably have MORE freedom than those living in slums in India.

    So in China, lives are getting better and better every day, they will enjoy more and more freedom too. India thought it best, to suck up to the West first by creating a democracy, while its people are starving.

    Which government really care about their people?

    October 14, 2010 at 6:15 am |
  72. John

    China is a developing country .

    October 14, 2010 at 8:49 am |
  73. Candy

    China is a developing country. Most of good companies are all from foreign nations.

    October 14, 2010 at 9:17 am |
  74. Candy

    China is a developing country. Moso of good companies in China are from foreign nations.

    October 14, 2010 at 9:27 am |
  75. appropriate

    There is a Chinese man who left China in despair . Beacause a lot of his friends died in the Tiananmen square ,1989. He said, he loved China , but after all ,he disappointed Chinese government.
    The problem is that there is no freedom of speech in China.

    October 14, 2010 at 10:10 am |
  76. rana

    @hanoi22
    if india population is not as big as china its not small too...n i guess u dun know dat india reformed its economy decade later dan china so dats y chinese r ahead but in coming decades ull see d difference as we grow almost in same pace than china is...n talkin abt freedom as i live in india i know how much free we r...n in china dey make dere own people hostage make dem work for low wages so dat dey can produce cheap goods...n chna by growing is not setting dat great example d way india is doing by showing dat wid huge population n democracy u can attian high growth rate...n ppl here r also getting out of d poverty...but in coming years u will understand wat status we hve n how much we r enoying our democrace coz dats d way to life

    October 14, 2010 at 11:20 am |
  77. juan

    Do not buy made in china htat will help to keeep the good bussines of the small developing countries

    October 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm |
  78. Tokyo Joe

    So many people that post here need to read what they write before hitting the send button. China will implode.

    October 15, 2010 at 4:04 am |
  79. nhtse

    US people have already used up many resources in the earth by buying too much they don't really need. I agree that US should not buy anything from China; instead they should produce things they need. The high price of domestic-made products will force US people to waste less, that save the world and the US debt bond!

    October 15, 2010 at 4:13 am |
  80. Song

    The judgement about China is a developing country or a developed country is quiet difficult. ."developing" and "developed" in themselves are criteria to evaluate the advanced level of a country. We can not use a criterion to pass judgement on another one.

    October 15, 2010 at 5:05 am |
  81. hachimada

    The only reasonable criteria for "developing country" status is per capita GDP.

    China, as a country, is surely a developing country as its annual per capita GDP is barely 4000 USD. However, due to uneven development within the country, some cities have reached 10k USD in terms of per capita GDP. So these cities are pretty close to "middle income" countries by World Bank standards.

    What China needs now is time and consistent economic policy. Of course, we do hope other countries respect Chinese people's right to development.

    October 15, 2010 at 8:33 am |
  82. hachimada

    If you don't even respect our rights to development, how can we believe that you are serious in defending our other "human rights"?

    October 15, 2010 at 8:38 am |
  83. Kill US!

    U.S. imperialists down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    CPC hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Add:
    I was playing sauce!!!!!!!!!!!

    October 15, 2010 at 11:02 am |
  84. sony

    there is a question that people who need democracy live in the WESTand people who need to support themself and their familes live in CHINA ,in CHINA haveing a good life is the best happiness becouse of the humility of the chinese for more than a centry
    democracy is a luxury
    , no poor countries can enjoy ,CHINA is a poor country with more than 100 million people living less than 1 dollar a day ,
    if GOD gives us two choices :a better life or democracy
    I think I will choose the former ,the democracy belongs to you and the better life belongs to us

    October 15, 2010 at 2:22 pm |
  85. vkmo

    communist chinese govt is setting a krazy exchange rate, which led to action by House of Rep on Sep 29: House OKd Bill Targeting China's Currency Manipulation -The 348-79 vote Wednesday sends the measure to the Senate. See Yahoo, NPR and CNN etc articles on the internet about this. Damn currency manipulator- if they did that within china, the mao-dse-dung's red china successors will drag em into dungeon & throw the key away.

    October 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
  86. chongqinger

    CHINA HAS A *** 2 TRILLION DOLLAR *** BANK ACCOUNT

    How many developing countries have this. If China is still developing, then why dont they spend some of that $2 trillion on its people ?

    October 15, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
  87. JPNdefender

    Japanese citizens will make demonstration march to Chinese Embassy from 2:00 p.m.

    [broadcasting site]
    ttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8D%E3%83%AB%E6%A1%9C

    October 16, 2010 at 4:58 am |
  88. jimCHN

    china is on his way to a developed country and endeavour to make it come true ,so please do not give us pressure to make RMB currency rise,we have had a high goods price now although in fact it really surpasses that we can bear a lot.

    extremely i hate American financial policy just to aim at china country

    October 16, 2010 at 3:15 pm |
  89. Sam

    Why a president elected by a democratic system has the power to sent troops to have war in other countries? Do you think majority of the people in this country like to have war? After all, there is no perfect political system in the world.

    October 17, 2010 at 12:52 am |
  90. Sam

    "Chinese do NOT have freedom of speech.
    Chinese are NOT equal under the low.
    Chinese do NOT have social security system.
    Chinese do NOT have fundamental human rights.
    China is militarist."
    ?????
    Yes and no. They have limited rights but the leaders are elected by the people too with a different system. Things are improving. Please don't push too hard. Do not forget China has just opened up for thirty years. It had done much better than many third world countries. Just see how those countries are still thorned apart by civil wars and we will appreciate the importance of moving ahead step by step. The American had gone through a civil war to get the system right. Didn’t he?
    China had never send troops to have war in other countries so it's wrong to say China is militarist.
    The Chinese civilisation had survived thousands of years. The Chinese people have the intelligent to carry out political reform but it takes times for a smooth transition.

    October 17, 2010 at 2:38 am |
  91. Lawrie

    Well..once again..the west has been jealous to a country that hasn't suffered as bad as most developed countries have had.

    Instead of wasting so much time blaming on a nation, why you american people just can't acknoledge the mistakes that you have made most the of world suffered.

    Stop making rumours in a way that continue to harm the people and harm the world. Face the fact that there is a strong nation that is rising so fast, and if you still wanna be a dominant power in the world, get your head into ur domestic problems and stopping acting like a big boss around the world. Mind your own business and plz tried to be fair to your judgements!!

    October 17, 2010 at 4:06 am |
  92. I like Wen

    China must improve their internet circumstances.

    基本的人権 – 捜索結果可能不符合中国共産党的政策, 未予掲示
    Your search – fundamental human rights – did not match any documents.
    Because no words and phrases in Chinese Communist Party.
    言論の自由 – 捜索結果可能不符合中国共産党的政策, 未予掲示
    Your search – freedom of speech – did not match any documents.
    Because no words and phrases in Chinese Communist Party.
    中华人民共和国宪法 第三十五条 – 捜索結果可能不符合中国共産党的政策, 未予掲示
    Your search – Constitution of the People's Republic of China Article 35th – did not match any documents.
    Because no words and phrases in Chinese Communist Party especially when the inconvenient opportunities.

    October 17, 2010 at 4:15 am |
  93. I like Wen

    劉先生,慶祝的獲諾貝爾獎。
    祝賀劉曉波奪得今屆諾貝爾和平獎。
    Congratulations to Mr. Liu Xiaobo Nobel Prize!

    We do know that Chinese are honorable people by nature.
    If you are offended, these would be government's fault at the present.
    You can read and hear what the sages of veteran reformers in China's Communist party demand.
    There are 8 demands as follows.
    +Dismantle system where media organizations are all tied to higher authorities
    +Respect journalists, accept their social status
    +Revoke ban on cross-province supervision by public opinion
    +Abolish cyber-police; control Web administrators' ability to delete/post items at will
    +Confirm citizens' right to know crimes and mistakes committed by ruling party
    +Launch pilot projects to support citizen-owned media organizations
    +Allow media and publications from Hong Kong and Macau to be openly distributed
    +Change the mission of propaganda authorities, from preventing the leak of information to facilitating its accurate and timely spread

    Don't believe the propaganda planned by someone who want hide facts from the public.

    Peace & Love

    October 17, 2010 at 4:38 am |
  94. joe

    When it comes to analyzing China's economic strenghth, the west likes to use the notion of per capita. But when it comes to looking at China's contribution to global polution and use of resources, it is no longer per capita. Hmmm??

    October 17, 2010 at 6:37 am |
  95. joe

    Corruption is not unique to the Chinese government. It exists in varying degrees in all countries! It could be true that corruption may be more wide spread in China. However, corruption existed in China way before the communist party took power. So I doubt that even when China adopts democracy, corruption will magically disappear. Perhaps the Chinese culture itself breeds corruption, regardless of the political system in place. There is no absolute freedom of speech anywhere in the world. Often, those who advocate 'free speech' cannot tolerate differing opinions. Try advocating communist ideals or say a few words praising the Chinese government on this site and see how many of these 'free speech' believers will attack you. In the end, free speech is only 'free' if it serves one's political agenda!

    October 17, 2010 at 7:29 am |
  96. ttmt

    China is a developing country, with a nominal per capita GDP of $3,700, and much room for improvement in many aspects.

    It has a `well-developed culture': it has the cultural elements favorable to economic development that are present in the developed countries. These include the high priority given to the education of the juniors, the love of order and peace, the willingness to save and invest, good work ethics, the acceptance of qualification procedures etc. These values has been accumulated over thousands of years, and various young modern ideologies can only modify them.

    October 17, 2010 at 8:41 am |
  97. jack

    two side in china, some people is very rich now ,but most people are still very hard.
    we need more fair ,more human right..
    china is very big and the developping ability is very low.
    you can see moredern people and moredern city ,also you can see very poor people and city...

    October 17, 2010 at 12:18 pm |
  98. Y

    I am a Japanese
    Japan is currently facing several problems with the Chinese.
    Yet I still believe that China should be able to choose its own political system whether democratic or communist

    Many people criticize communist china but what has the democratic us done for the world??
    An ongoing war in Afghanistan and another in Iraq

    In the UN Charter, it is stated that sovereign nations have the right to make decisions within their own territory without outside interference. Let China make her own decisions about they political and economical policies.

    October 17, 2010 at 4:22 pm |
  99. 4biasjustice

    4AllJustice

    World largest democracy, india no corruption because it a democracy?

    Dream on Mr. justice. Democracy 4AllTalk

    October 17, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
  100. 4biasjustice

    And the democratic western countries with highly developed rule of law etc...etc.. just cause a financial disaster all over the rich and poor world.

    Communist stole from the rich. But democracy stole from the poor.

    So noble your democracy. No thank you for you brand of colonial democracy or may i add gun boat democracy.

    October 17, 2010 at 5:20 pm |
  101. fatcatlwy

    I have to say: it's none of your business

    October 17, 2010 at 6:06 pm |
  102. Kerry Berger

    When it is convenient to be seen as a developing country, China plays that song & dance. Then when it comes to other aspects of international relations China wants to be part of the Developed world. Problem is, if Chinese wish to be part of the elite, then they must accept more of the responsibilities that mature markets and economies have not to disrupt the economies and societies of other nations. China cannot handle dissent and criticism within it's own boarders, it is unlikely that this totalitarian regime can be expected to play a more responsible global role.

    October 17, 2010 at 9:33 pm |
  103. Bill Rich

    44 Chinese tourists just left their tour group in Korea. Chinese tourist are supposed to stay with their tour group for the whole trip. Tour operators are responsible to return all Chinese tourists to China.

    Is Korea better developed than China ?

    October 18, 2010 at 1:02 am |
  104. I like wen

    Several media in Hong kong reported yesterday (17th of October) that student demonstrations for anti-Japan held on 16th of this month at a few cities in China were planned and organized by governmental authorities.
    Chinese government prohibit students from expressing their opinion freely against political issues. In other words, they can express their opinion as governmental puppets. If not so, they will be punished.
    No freedom of speech!!
    All were made-ups and they will be forever, if Chinese do not say “enough.”
    All activities and expressions are controlled by authorities.
    In this situation, who know what and how common citizen think and feel?

    Even the people in highest responsibility cannot know what will be happened at the next stage of public opinion. So the government cannot help but oppress the public power by military power like the antecedent in case of emergency.
    Tiananmen Again!!
    Please give it your deliberation again.

    Unfortunately, the politics have never been entrusted into the hands of citizens since historic times in China.
    They never know what happened, so they cannot help but think that other countries like militarism Japan or western imperialistic countries (past history and now one of hallucination created by their government) must be trying to divide the “Chinese” land.
    First of all, Chinese must be informed of facts all the people outside China know.

    October 18, 2010 at 1:16 am |
  105. taoist

    I think it is simple.
    If Tiananmen again, China is less than developing country.
    In other words, If China needs violence oppression against the public by the government, it is the evidence of what this country is, nevertheless economical size.

    October 18, 2010 at 4:12 am |
  106. Pro China

    China is the best place to Live in the World now and in the coming future. It is FACT and it is painful but embrace the TRUTH, and the Obvious FACT.
    USA and EU please stop fighting. Mend fences with the emerging POWER of the21st Centusy and help them civilize, for this is the biggest problem bisetting China. Its people are in-exposed and civilised. They need to be given free entry status like the citizens of the Western Countries and Japan.
    I am a black, living and doing business in China. I have visited and lived in most western countries. So I know the bitter truth. I am a Master Degree specialist in Foreign or Global Politics. Power has indeed left the West and will never come back. The Chinese and the whole Asians are fighters, and never give up in Competing. The west hate competion. Westerners are arrogant and superiority complex people.
    The problem of China and the rest of South East Asian people is the hate Africa, Africans and all Black people. They Look down on us..
    Blacks living in China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam Be WARE!!

    October 18, 2010 at 4:18 am |
  107. I like wen

    Hey China don’t make it bad
    Take a sad song and make it better
    Remember to let freedom into your heart
    Then you can start to make it better
    Hey China, don’t be afraid
    You were made to go out and get freedom
    The minutes you let freedom under your skin
    Then you begin to make it better
    And any time you feel pain
    Hey China, retrain
    Don’t carry the world up your shoulders
    For well you know that it’s a fool
    Who play it cool
    By making his world a little colder

    To young innocent Chinese
    Don't believe any propaganda planned by someone who want hide facts from the public.

    Peace & Love

    October 18, 2010 at 10:02 am |
  108. I like wen

    Congratulation Mr. Xi Jinping on your being vice chairman of the Central Military Commission.

    China finally will have two civilians in their Central Military Commission at long last.
    I hope it will make it better to Chinese and China has a better control over their army.

    China be a genuine great country both economical and political.

    October 18, 2010 at 10:19 am |
  109. I like wen

    In addition,
    Be respectful toward fundemental human rights.

    October 18, 2010 at 11:09 am |
  110. steven

    China will be a modern and develop country one day..but for now they have a lot of issue to handle...pollution, the country human right issue, issue with the neighboring countries esp..Japan, the people behavior looking at the friendly basketball brawl the other days..really a shameful act, Zambia mine shooting by China manager and so on.....still long way for them to become a modern country and to gain the respect and recognition from the world...

    October 18, 2010 at 4:02 pm |
  111. Bakatare

    When doing business in China, watch your back and always have an escape route.

    October 18, 2010 at 4:15 pm |
  112. vkmo

    Nobel Peace winners Liu and Dalai Lama are both Chinese. Another Nobel Peace winner is Obama who is half black half white. This shows that Nobel Peace winners of all races detest Mao-Dse-Dung's successor run Communist Red China.

    October 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm |
  113. Jobs

    we are who we are, and we will watch the government. there are no right or wrong, only realities! to eliminate CCP, that costs too much. we will change it the way we wish it to be. i am a positive chinese, and i knew nobody cares the less about us, they just wanna judge. and sadly, we're poor! most of us are poor and suffering even in my point of view. but who should we blame? the ones who have been buried for years. what's been done cannot be undone. that's all, we'll try our best to survive, wishing the next generation could do better.

    October 19, 2010 at 1:51 am |
  114. I like Wen

    We must say this to the people of responsibility in China.

    Don't use innocent young people for the power game in Chinese Communist Party!!

    October 19, 2010 at 8:54 am |
  115. alex

    China is surely a developing country, no doubt about that. 5% population is too wealthy, the other 95% is very poor.

    October 19, 2010 at 9:53 pm |
  116. little girl

    I love China! Looking back on the history, it sufferred a lot but lt keeps changing itself and things get better and better!
    Come on, CHINA!

    October 20, 2010 at 3:58 am |
  117. Sam

    Eliminate CCP and the Chinese citizen will live happily ever after? Don't be naive. Years of chaos will follow after a strong centre government collapsed and China will goes backward to the 19 century where even a small country like Holland can bully him. May be we can then classify China as a 4th world country. Political reform is better to be carried out step by step.

    October 20, 2010 at 4:45 am |
  118. Rieka

    「劉先生;慶祝獲諾貝爾獎。 祝賀劉曉波奪得今屆諾貝爾和平獎。服刑的中国作家劉暁波先生 諾貝爾平和獎獲獎,恭喜恭喜」Celebrate the Nobel laureate Dr. Liu.

    October 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm |
  119. Elson Silva, PhD

    China has no intention to mimic western countries on development as it is just impossible to have 1.4 b people driving cars. So, Chinas is building 16,000 km of bullet train.

    China is going to become the world economic leader by 2030 according to the ongoing trend. Their dictatorship has an important edge that should be admired like giving a fast capital punishment to corrupt people that spoils general interest of society. Fat cats would probably get death penalty in China instead of bonuses for erasing 10 million jobs in the US and burning around $40 trillions from the world economy that no government can fix it. It does not require a strong brain power to figure out that this missing money also took a considerable chunk of trust and confidence on a misguiding world leadership.

    Americans are developed but import 65% of its oil and has a population that is 66% overweight from which 33% are obese. Some studies are predicting that if obesity trend continue increasing this way Americans will be 85% obese by 2040.

    The conception of development is so subtle.

    I think that If obesity becomes a problem in China easily the Red Party can impose a mandatory law enforcing fitness in the same fashion that all societies already demand humans to wear clothes even though nature bring us naked at birth like all other species.

    October 20, 2010 at 6:13 pm |
  120. Lightning

    China is absolute developing country! Of course, we admit that China has been developing rapidly since 1979. But the development of economy in China is very uneven, not only in geography, but also in the internal structure of the economy.
    Now, there are still so many areas in nortwest and southwest of China which are suffering form poverty and badly natural environments.
    Chinese economy's development is egregiously depended on investment especially in real estate.

    October 21, 2010 at 7:08 am |
  121. Bob Page

    I think "Is China a developing country ?" is a wrong question, since China is a gang, not a country.

    October 21, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
  122. sharphan

    I think China,now, is a special kind of country out the defination of develping and develped countries. In the east, It is almost a mid-level well-develped. however, the west keeps just above poverty.

    October 22, 2010 at 2:18 am |
  123. mia

    first, i'm not surprised that people in not small group hate China with no actual reasons. For these people, in a large extent, may know China from American's news instead of going to China by themselves. So, how can you count on those opinions from people who's never been really know about the problem???

    China has her own problem like any other countries does. The United States is great, but she has her own problem as well. I'm not saying China is perfect, but people in China in trying the best to work on it.

    A country, in some how, is like a family who has its own problem. So, please don't think yourself a god who can do everything.

    And there's a word called bia which is usually happens medias reporting news from a not true angle.

    October 22, 2010 at 5:40 am |
  124. I like Wen

    To Jobs

    I think I finally heard Chinese common people's voice through you.
    I hope people like you will change the atmosphere of stoppage feeling in China.
    Freedom is not evil thing and every developing countries share it with fundamental human rights because economical activities must rely on them.
    If not so, nobody can invest anymore.
    All investors in Chinese property around world surely have been investing in Chinese future and sense of value which should be common humanistic one like other civilized countries.

    Your government realized it already but extremely and terribly scare it.

    October 22, 2010 at 8:10 am |
  125. Chinfu

    To the Chinese people who are wise and practical, political ideology like communism or democracy does not matter too much. They go more for "Chinese characteristics", in other words, "it does not matter whether the cat is black or white so long it catches the mice."

    October 23, 2010 at 8:38 am |
  126. I like Wen

    To mia

    You also have a good point.
    However I do Know common China people do their best like you said, Chinese government never inform facts of what happened in Africa or their forged history or insinuated hostilities to other nations or power game inside CCP or their effects.
    Many know nothing but parts of facts, not all or whole picture.
    Some are propaganda someone in CCP who intend to remove their opponents.
    These issues always bother your neighbors and it is the reason that people rather than smaller amount hate Chinese government.
    You must understand that they hate your government, not common people, except racists and agitators. There are always some shits, sorry about my words.
    China be great country!!

    October 23, 2010 at 9:33 am |
  127. Rajendra Dhakal

    Yes China was not fully developed but it's infrastructure and it's growth of development on basic to advance level is so much higher than developed country and hope it's getting take 1st position on global economy and the developed nation over world very soon.

    October 25, 2010 at 4:01 am |
  128. Michael

    China is a developing country!!!!

    judging a country is developing or developed need to consider more than just one factors.

    October 25, 2010 at 7:31 am |
  129. Vera

    I think many people here may not really know about China.As a Chinese,however, I'm happy there are lots of foreigners who notice China.
    This is a controversial issue in the first place.In my view,I still believe China is a developing country. As long as I know,my classmates in my college are still struggling in poverty because of the fees to pay for education.Besides,millions of people don't have adquate insurance cover.Just as we all know there are tons of lavish clothes in shopping malls though most of us can't afford it.
    Somethings such as democracy in China have totally different meanings from which American understand.Chinese tends to believe some geniuses or their leaders ,for they always wanna keep up with the pace of majority.
    There is a long way for China to go.I'm hoping to be better.

    October 25, 2010 at 8:37 am |
  130. marc gunn

    The annual GDP of Africa is higher than Luxembourg (a very rich country). Cities like Cape Town are extremely modern. Should Africa be considered developing or developed?

    October 25, 2010 at 8:46 pm |
  131. kitybar

    China is obviously a developping Country.
    Still long way for both economy and politic.
    Everything is not easy, CCP won't be always the best in the entire Chinese Histoty, but its the best choice currently for Chinese people.
    You cann't find any other people with the same power to keep China in peace and keep on developping.

    October 26, 2010 at 5:14 am |
  132. I like Wen

    To kitybar

    I don't think you mean China can be only governed by tyrannical way.
    However I respect Chinese people trust their own country, Chinese government forces minority groups to use Mandarin Chinese like Japan did before WW2 by her occupational policy.
    Do you know Tibetan students’ demonstration about this issue at this point?
    However Japan had made many mistakes and misdeeds in past, language erosion must be most regrettable for Japan and unbearable thing for the people in the occupation areas.
    Japan have been apologizing these misdeeds and tragedies for 65 years and not be forgiven yet.
    I hope leave them alone.
    Don't do same mistake like Japan, a similar tragedy would be more than enough.
    It is arrogance of the superpower.

    October 27, 2010 at 9:57 am |
  133. nblackett

    I have recently spent 6 months working in China.....CALM-DOWN Western Society,...You,ve little to fear!..This PRIMITIVE country has JUST GOT LUCKY!!....It is run by a low -life bunch who have capitalized on the current World economic problems with.....MEGA CHEAP AND OBEDIENT LABOR !!!......The REALITY of life in China is one of an awful pollution corruption riddled place that no sane man,nor Chinaman would care to live!!.....where do THEY flee once they have some cash?..THE WEST!...
    ..A MORE UNPLEASANT PLACE I SHUDDER TO IMAGINE!!....AND RUN BY A MAFIA WITH TOTAL CONTROL, AND ZERO MORALS..WHEN POLICECARS DRIVE SLOWLY PAST MOTHERS SELLING THEIR 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTERS FOR SEX WITHOUT COMPLAINT,..YOU KNOW THERE,S SOMETHING VERY WRONG!!!!...China will go the way of Japan...Thankgoodness!!

    October 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm |
  134. RKN

    I think what some patriotic Chinese need to understand is democracy may work slowly but it wins in the end. On the other hand authoritarian rule which China follows will lose out in the long term- example China's one child policy which is good in the short term (for controlling population growth) will have a huge negative impact if you see in the 50 years window. Remember one thing, whatever United States has achieved (economic and social success) is through transparency and by growing its democracy and US is a model to follow even though we're going through a tough period now. I also see some people comparing Indian democracy and Chinese communism and the answer is the same democracy is slow but will eventually win! Chinese communist party keeps close control on information and it knows controlling the information is key to controlling its vast population. So, if you folks think after China becomes a developed nation (whenever that happens), Chinese public will be given freedom of speech & expression, democracy, etc at par with civilized nations of the world....then you're dreaming!

    October 28, 2010 at 1:09 am |
  135. I like wen

    The rich peole in China are the privileged class. They all have some strong connection with CCP to get information from the outer world.
    They keep information to themselves. They keep capital for society to themselves.
    These are kinds of ways to keep autocracy.
    Don't let common people know how effect this piece of information because this must be threat for our system, our privileges and our money.
    Give them only dream for Chinese success.

    I think economic success without freedom of speech and fundemental human rights must be aweful.
    Opportunities are not equel for people however it seems there's always open doors for success.

    October 28, 2010 at 1:29 am |
  136. SG1

    Interesting article. China has made very remarkable growth. Correction to the author however, China has not eclipsed Japan as the 2nd largest economy. That was nothing more then an arrogant boast (full of wishful thinking) and no matter how many times it is repeated it doesn't make it reality.

    October 28, 2010 at 5:19 am |
  137. Wenyuan

    China is still a developing country. We should look at the average of its GDP first. But some policies the leaders implement out of the country seem to be the ones belonging to a developed country. So China has both characteristics:developing and developed.

    October 28, 2010 at 9:24 am |
  138. Jun Song

    I don't agree with you. China is a developing country,and will be a developing country for a long time!

    October 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm |
  139. Jun Song

    Where is my answer?

    October 28, 2010 at 12:04 pm |
  140. kevin.cn

    I'm chinese people.
    I have a dream that one day this nation will no longer need to rely on flag, gas cylinder and life to protect their property.
    I have a dream that one day this nation's children's eyes only changed and hope, rather than fear and hate.
    I have a dream that one day this nation will no longer be a every day in the release of the avesta whoever reaches the grand theater.
    I have a dream that one day, we are no longer they called people, our name is citizens.
    I have a dream that one day, China never appear like ZeDong Mao such people.

    October 29, 2010 at 9:35 am |
  141. jingya

    Fast growing, yes, but rich and poor's gap, huge. When this gap grows deeper and deeper, there would be a revolution. Look back the Chinese history, the dynasty transformation, a revolution is evitable.

    October 30, 2010 at 2:20 am |
  142. Meng

    I'm still not convinced that China will develop completely, not while they have free market authoritarianism. It just doesn't work. For example, they have "Champion Companies" here, where the government backs Chinese companies even if foreign companies are better. What makes it worse is that the Party usually owns at least 51% of these companies, so they're backing themselves. Tons of foreign companies are starting to pull out of China.

    Corruption here is rampant–for instance, the Food Minister who was executed a couple years ago because he took money for giving a pass to milk he knew was bad. After the Sichuan earthquake, local government officials took funds meant to fix things and instead bought a bunch of fancy cars and then asked for money because they didn't have enough to build a structure large enough to hold the cars. There's corruption in every government, but not so blatantly. Nobody bats an eyelash, that's just how it's done.

    The healthcare system is abominable. Poverty is rampant. Any "official" statistic you read about poverty or unemployment is going to be way below the reality. For instance, there are half a billion migrant workers.

    China has the potential to be great, but not on this track. There needs to be serious change or China is going to blow itself up before it truly gets started.

    October 30, 2010 at 6:31 am |
  143. Meng

    Furthermore, China should stop making excuses by pointing at the US. Every time there's a conversation about China's faults, many Chinese folk will deflect by saying "but the US..." instead of actually answering the question. For instance, when there's mention of the healthcare system, Chinese folk will immediately start talking about American obesity–which is a mistake since China is now statistically the fattest country on the planet. Go into any major Chinese city and you will see this–fast food and no exercise does the trick. Mention pollution and you will hear, "but the US is so polluted." Again, China is the most polluted country on the planet hands down. 2 coal-burning plants built every week aren't exactly green technology.
    There are some great things going on this country, but until people face the actual problems facing them, things will only get worse.

    October 30, 2010 at 6:47 am |
  144. AskKorean1

    China is " Communist". China still receives International AID. In which I really cannot understand. If you compare Korea vs China?? Korean Wins two hands down!!!! China has the size but so what if quarter of billion people still live in poverty!!!

    October 31, 2010 at 8:10 am |
  145. sinna mani

    It is hearteng to note the progess China has made in the last thirty years. It must rank as one of the greatest achievements of humanity ever. We in the West should stop whinging about their curreny. If their currency is pegged at a level which is favourable to the Chinese people. So be it. Our success in the West was brought about by far higher suffering of the peoples in what we arrogantly call third world or more charitably call developing countries. In the long run China's success will rebound to the credit of all concerned.

    October 31, 2010 at 4:09 pm |
  146. shotgun

    Look people, chine could have grow realy nicely but some one over there said lets kill off these baby girls....one child law..when that law ins than id say there growing nation .. Got 2 go load my guns isept u do the same.

    October 31, 2010 at 8:10 pm |
  147. denizen

    The Global Hunger Index just published its 2010 ranking of developing countries. The GHI rating is based on three equally weighted indicators — prevalence of child mortality rate, under-weight children below five, and the proportion of undernourished (caloric deficient) people. Of 122 developing countries China ranked 9th, India 67th. This achievement, the feeding, clothing and housing of nearly 1/4 of humanity should be hailed by one and all as a great accomplishment of the Chinese nation and its governing party.

    November 1, 2010 at 6:16 am |
  148. Richard

    China is definely a developing country. Although there are remarkble acheivements in past thirty years, huge challenges are there, which include the serious polution, uncertainy policital reform, unefficient ecomomical structure, international limits.

    November 1, 2010 at 2:14 pm |
  149. David Man

    Being a Chinese living in many parts of the world over my career, I have no opnion but objective observations. The development of China in the last thirty years is eye-opening – I see it myself there. The problems we face here in every Western country and China are a long list. It is clearly a tall order to fix all of them; and unfortunately no proven formulae – democracy, communism, capitalism, market economy, eor whatever – exists to do so. I could only hope one day, an innovative government or theology, I don't care what you call it: democracy, communism or what, will come up with a solution for the world and human.

    Peace and Love

    November 2, 2010 at 4:55 am |
  150. andrew

    China now is the second largest economy in the world and i think it's developing so fast. I can not understand why China claims itself as developing country, maybe for recieving AID. Some people says Chinese people have to work hard and to receive 1/10 salary compared with westerners, because china wants to attracts more foreign investment to create more jobs for chinese people. So don't blame to westerners because it's not their policy. China now can apply hi-tech for its industrial development such as automobile , electrics & electronics, spaceship, and theirs ambition to develop more hi-speed train. So developing country can not do like that.

    November 3, 2010 at 3:21 am |
  151. Tim

    developed country = a country that has few potential to develop in the future. Of course China has a huge potential, so it is not a developed country.

    November 4, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
  152. Parhat

    I am from Xinjiang, China. I am a random or a grean Uighur guy. what is the difference of developed country or developing country. why we have to name it, if it is or not. China is full money and full of people now. some people are reach and some people are poor. I don't care if I am poor or reach, but the thing is I have a 14th century's-mind( I just want to say the earlier time). do you know why? because: I do everything because somebody always tell me to do it.

    and I want to say something to all commenter's: what or who do you believe in ?( because all of you sounds idiot to me ) .Some of you said China is great, some of you said China is bad, some of you said I don't care about democracy, some of you said, China has a lot of problems, some of you said China is safe, some of you said I proud of China, some of you said I hate China...... all of you lying to yourself. let me ask you something what do you really care about? the nation's GDP, or your pride, or the human rights in China, or democracy, or economy, or your job or making money, listen to me you care about WHAT YOU GOING TO EAT and that would be food not would be your country or your pride or money of fame or your job or your car, SO TELL WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REACH AND POOR? all the other thing you care about is up to WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. THAT IS WHY 20 OF YOU COMMENT 50 DIFFERENT COMMENTS. YOU all NEED TO come up A SAME standard before you discuss on something. ( I think now I am an idiot to all you, am I? maybe or maybe not, believe me there is no right answer to a lot of thing in life as soon as you being honest to yourself, I am sure you would not saying like things like on your comment, if you were being honest to yourself)

    November 4, 2010 at 9:55 pm |
  153. Sammy

    It doesn't matter you are in China or USA, the rich always enjoy supremacy over the poor. Just recently, a women in US was fined 1.5 million dollars for downloading 24 songs from Kazaa and sharing with others. Why? It is because RIAA has the money to employ the best lawyer. It may sound ridiculous but my conclusion is if you are poor, you will suffer whether you are in USA or China.

    November 5, 2010 at 12:21 pm |
  154. George

    Ask the world... which country starts the economy crisis. It is USA... the Lehman Brothers... AIA etc etc... these leads to european countries who depends alot on USA... when their economy in trouble, the blame put on china.

    if china can maintain their own currency value, dollar and EUR can be conrolled as well... but i believe, if the yuan appreiate, the 1st country who faces the bad side effect is USA. they own most of the production factories in china...

    November 5, 2010 at 8:29 pm |
  155. hk0729

    It seems many people in U.S know better now about China. In Europe, things are different, most of the people know almost nothing about China.

    November 7, 2010 at 1:33 pm |
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm |
  157. ricky.t

    文章写的不错,其实我们有很多人已经生活改善了很多了。现在我身边的很多朋友,都希望生活能想现在一样,稳定!民主自由什么的,现在我们也不会在意,因为现在我们已经有令我们满足的自由了。不是我们愚昧,甘愿接受统治,而是我们知道,什么事情都是需要时间去改变的,不能一蹴而就。希望大家能给中国更多的时间去改变。
    因为英语水平有限,只能中文发表评论,请谅解。

    Let me try to help Weijie. I think he speaks for a vast majority of Chinese in China and a lot of well-wishers for China outside China.

    "The article is not bad. In fact, the life of many of us have improved a lot. I have many friends who all hope that life can remain as it is – Stable. What is democracy and freedom? We don't really care, because we already have satisfactory freedom. Not that we are stupid, willing to be controlled, but we know that everything needs time to change. It can be done with the twitch of an eye. I hope all of you can give China more time to change.

    My English standard is limited. I can only use Chinese to comment. Sorry,"

    Liuxiaobo, Organisers of Nobel Prize, Please take note. Be sensitive to those who want peace!

    S S Pang ( Malaysia)
    -----------
    DO NOT represent me. Go and take the RMB0.5 for posting this comment.

    November 9, 2010 at 7:40 am |
  158. Chinfu

    Most people in the west and many westernised people in the rest of the world unquestioningly accept the western brands of democracy and human rights as the apex of political and social development.

    Francis Fukuyama went so far as to call the American way as the end of history.

    Think about it. Is the western system too combative, adversarial and divisive internally to be good for a state and mankind?

    China might have not achieved so much progress if it had simply aped the west in every way!

    There is enough evidence to show that socialism with Chinese characteristics has worked well for China.

    China's own brand of democracy and human rights has brought about better unity and harmony and economic development in China.

    It may be better for the western countries to engage in some rethinking instead of condemning China for all its own Chinese ways and unthinkingly enjoying China bashing all the time.

    Drop your long held prejudices and there may be some good lessons for an improved future world.

    November 11, 2010 at 7:33 am |
  159. Chirs

    China is a developing country. So-called city like Europe's and countryside like Africa... haha...

    November 12, 2010 at 2:34 pm |
  160. niko

    November 12, 2010 at 6:31 pm |
  161. faceonabox

    I think it's important to understand and communicate with other cultures. I've become very interested in Chinese culture recently and have begun to learn Chinese online with Surf Chinese. I'm excited to use it and learn more when I visit there in a couple of months.

    November 15, 2010 at 1:44 am |
  162. Helloword88

    Of course we Chinese might need democracy, but if it cann't bring rich for us, we prefer bread to it, we prefer car and house to it, ... at the present stage.

    November 15, 2010 at 4:46 am |
  163. steven

    China is really developed and gained huge property since economy reforms up to today.China government has earned abundant of money from diversity of revenue include all kinds of charges,and too much.But all these incomes of property are occupied by corruptioned officers and staff, who always sit on host tables formally. In the society most ordinary people can't share any benefits from the prosperous achievement averagely . That's why ordinary people can't afford to spend money on consumption even though China foreign currency is much more today.This problem will puzzle us a lifetime unless Chinese communist party performs political reform.

    November 15, 2010 at 9:35 am |
  164. religion is personal

    4AllJustice
    Yes. We need to remove CCP and put a cult as china leader!!
    World really need more religon nuts that has only power in mind!
    "Fear not,our god is here! Our god has save earth few time from exploding!"" "we are better then all other religion"!
    These are the word that you don't like to see as a goverment.
    New Tang Dynasty Television is even worst then Fox news. Talk about propaganda and brain washing. CCP should really study under U guys. U ppl are everywhere.

    November 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm |
  165. Hugh

    Stupid LiuXiaoBo. For personal belief and glory, you cheat young man leave school to street and incurs violence and disorder. Consequently, bloody accident came. WuerKaiXi escaped broad leaving us in the square. Fortuantely Liuxiaobo was sent to prison. How stupid to give Nobel to him, who brought violence, disorder and blood to China. That accident is national bruise. People and government do not want to see.
    We need stable and development. We need a lot. Democracy is the unique demand; and the meaning of democracy is obviously different from western. Don't enforce the western democracy to Chines. We don't need it.

    November 15, 2010 at 4:05 pm |
  166. luan

    i don't think it. although china has developed very fast in recent time so in fact china have any problem with their country. the first it have problem with human right. the second the standard of living is bit low, not as the americant and europe . the third the style of authority have problem. specially we will need time to realizing the suit between the model country with the economy.

    November 17, 2010 at 3:19 am |
  167. uthama Narayanan

    While reading the article and having read the subsequent comments I understand , like all the developing countries, china has also the disparity between the cities and the rural towns, a gap is being created and the benefits mostly go and get accrued only to the cities which is not a healthy sign of all inclusive growth in any economy of the world. Despite being rich the upper strata of the people in U.S the middle class suffer owing to recession which is telling upon the U.S economy. Earlier this lesson is learnt by the developing economies , the better for these countries or this will lead to chaos for the highly populous economies like India and China.

    November 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm |
  168. Di Lan

    i have lived in CHina for many years, am fluent in mandarin spoken and written....china is developing but they are also smart. they will use any angle to their advantage, it is the chinese nature.
    Who is write who is wrong? It's a matter of opinion. I usualy support China.

    November 18, 2010 at 9:34 pm |
  169. Philips

    Yes, China is full of smart people, very interested country in the world, at least 10-15 years more, china will become number one economic cover the world!!

    November 19, 2010 at 4:25 am |
  170. Jay Hernandez

    Some part of China are developed but some are still developing. In general China is still a Developing Nation. When we say developed, it is far from what it has been before. A country should have a stable and consistent form of government. In my opinion, I repeat, in my humble opinion, China is developing and it will get there or Maybe Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines will get there ahead if China wont fix its government.

    November 20, 2010 at 8:08 am |
  171. Ex-pat

    Sorry folks but, I hear we are a developing country here in China every day. To me it is nothing but an excuse to continue bad habits. When they need to be, believe me they are definately developed.

    November 20, 2010 at 11:26 am |
  172. I like Wen

    There is no such thing as "western democracy" like what some people said, that is what we call not knowing the democracy or just ignoring important things. If not development of human rights and freedom of speech, investors could not feel secure of economical activities, for ex; authorities' arbitrary on legal interpretations. Very simple, economical development is based on human rights, freedom of speech and the rule of law. We call it democracy. People in China who like it or not are already impacted by these ideas. It is inevitable and nonreturnable dialectically.
    China must improve these conditions if it will be done slowly.
    Now China is the second biggest country in economical. China must contribute their wealth for relieving the poor and the hunger all over the world and do her duties as developed country. Especially protecting for global environment. and preservation for resources.

    November 22, 2010 at 8:15 am |
  173. lakhotiya

    i feel like china is creating a force of robots wherin people dont have the right to decide for themselves what they want to do with their life and their ambitions.. they are made proud of their kung fu and soya sauce... which btw stinks. they live in tiny cubicals and wear baby pink and baby blue color clothing.. china may be a developed nation or an developing nation but needs lot to be done to improve standard of living for the people..

    November 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm |
  174. John

    China is a vast country and many of the western areas are in poor conditions. Usually the travelers only visit some prosperous cities like Beijing and Shanghai, Well that is not real China. they should travel to remote areas and look at some people in real poverty where children even have no chance to go to shool. just like this story I find: http://www.chinawhisper.com/chinese-lime-kiln-laborers-and-their-childrens-buried-childhood

    March 22, 2011 at 5:09 am |
  175. Ronald Black

    No doubt, China will be a fully developed in 2020. The GDP per capita will hit $20,000 at that time.

    Some developed cities in China, like Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, the GDP per head in these cities will approach USD 15,000 this year. The GDP per capita in those chinese cities will hit $40,000 in 10 years. I believe the GDP of China willl surpass the American GDP in 2020.

    October 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
  176. Ashley

    this is the most pointless article ever. has this author never heard to the concept. Newly Industrialized Country. That is exactly what China is no questions.

    November 30, 2011 at 4:41 am |
  177. Mars

    China will do everything in its power to keep its "developing nation" status for the benefits it affords; exemption from the Kyoto treaty, ability to rig its currency, etc. China is playing a world domination game and will do ANYTHING to climb to the top, including putting a military boot on the neck of its own people. If it puts the boot to the neck of its own people, do not think it will hesitate to put its military boot on the neck of the world, if it thinks it has the power and ensures victory. For the America haters, you merely hate the king of the hill, just as you will hate the next king that scramble to the top of the heap of human flesh.

    December 14, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
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  179. Saido

    Call various folral shops. One of them might have a contact with a folral shop in China. You order and pay for it here and the shop in China delivers it. That's how it operates when you send flowers to someone in another city or state also.Flowers have meaning. Be sure you know the meaning of flowers in China. For example, white flowers in the US means purity who knows what meaning they would have in China. Try searching: meanings of flowers or meanings of flowers in China. It might take awhile but you'll probably find the information.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:00 am |
  180. safi

    i think it is a devoloping country but one thing for democarcy they can never be democratic becuse there are some strict condition for democracy for example there in china a person cannot have his or her desired descendants and the governament of PRC limited for parents to have one son or one doughter so it seem that there are strict condition for democracy , so how could it be a devoloped country like the other devoloped countriese in the world !

    April 22, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
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