June 1st, 2011
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Johannesburg, South Africa (CNN) – Strolling around my neighborhood high street in Johannesburg, one is struck by a disproportionate number of décor shops.

On just our small street there are at least five shops selling “French provincial” furniture and design accessories. Wedged between one of those shops and the DVD rental store is another design store selling “Balinese” furniture and gifts.

Of course, not much of this furniture actually comes from France or Bali. Instead, most seems to originate in China. Hopefully, most people buying from these stores realize they are paying for a “look” and not the real deal.

The proliferation of Chinese goods is not new. Neither is China’s growing business presence on the African continent.

What does seem to be changing is the terms of the relationship between Africans and the Chinese.

African leaders - and I’ve interviewed a number of them in recent weeks - all seem to be making tougher contractual demands on their Asian counterparts.

Whether or not the rules of the game are actually changing is one thing, however, there is at least a public shift in the dialogue, with the Africans pushing for a less “one-sided relationship.” South Africa’s Business Day newspaper recently ran a headline that said: “Zuma seeks ‘fair deal’ in Africa’s ties with China.”

South African President Jacob Zuma echoed what many other business and political leaders are saying on the continent. They seem determined to ensure that Chinese business deals in Africa are more equitable in terms of long-term investments, infrastructure maintenance, job creation and skills transfer.

Even though Africans are favorable towards this relationship there are serious questions being asked by leaders like President Zuma. “How do we trade with China in a way that benefits us as well as them?’ he recently said.

So it seems Africans are pushing back and insisting on tougher terms on contracts. One Rwandan I had a conversation with said that some other African leaders had been “stupid” when negotiating with the Chinese and that the Rwandan business elite had been “cleverer” when constructing their deals with China.

In other parts of the continent, people are questioning why they aren’t getting more for the mineral riches that lie in abundance beneath Africa’s soil.

There is a growing political pressure to leverage Africa’s wealth better and for Africans to rewrite the terms of their relationship with Chinese investors.

Ever sensitive to the image of the African with his arms outstretched, palms turned upwards, looking for handouts, many on the continent want to make sure that they aren’t thrown the scraps when it comes to apportioning the massive opportunities that lie ahead.

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  1. Rose Nassali

    Africa also needs to stop China from using the continent as a dumping ground for sub-standard and fake products. I have seen shoes which last one week; a wrist watch which works for one month; clothes which shrink after one wash and skin rashes resulting from sanitary pads reacting with blood. The products look beatiful, are cheap and affordable to the poor Africans. The Chinese reap big profits and are praised for their economic growth, but Africa loses out from replacing the same goods in a short time. SOMETHING OUGHT TO BE DONE!

    June 1, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
  2. Ben

    I wish the best for Africa. Having been exploited for centuries by the West, that continent deserves better. Hopefully, Africa will nurture a new class of political and economic leadership that will look out for the people and the continent - and not just for themselves. Not to absolve the West for their deeds past and present (or China or Korea or Japan for their current dealings) - but the KEY to safeguarding Africa's interests must lie within Africa's own leadership - for better or for worse.

    As for CNN's continued harping against China, it should be reminded that America and Europe both FAILED to measure up when they had their chances. Just one example: America's unwavering support for Mobutu of Zaire. Did America care one hoot for Africa's best interest? Negatore!!

    June 1, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
  3. Haav

    "In other parts of the continent, people are questioning why they aren’t getting more for the mineral riches that lie in abundance beneath Africa’s soil."

    So true. Most of the best natural resources were already locked up by long term contracts with former colonial masters at extremely one-sided terms favoring you know who. Africans must tear apart those exploitative old contracts and "get more for the mineral riches that lie in abundance beneath Africa’s soil." The potentials are so much greater than getting better deals with China, which are already paying high risk-adjusted prices for access to riskier, less prime resources that were not considered worth the trouble by former colonial powers.

    June 1, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
  4. ThatsNotTrue:[

    Well.....unless you can get a better partner, which well.....the US is more likely to rob Africa of everything natural resources and all since they're drill drill drill, so is Britian.....they can always switch investor or something, but China's the second biggest economy right now. And China's been investing into Africa for years, decades even, the expolition part should be delt with by the companies themselves, just like how American corporations are expoilting Chinese workers. There are laws, but like all companies, there's white collar crimes, blue collar and the list can go on. The African government in this case should set stricter rules with government business regulators or something because of China's "Mind My Own Business Policy," not sure what the offical name is, but there's over a billion people to take care of in that country, and since the investors are on African grounds, in essence it's playing on their home turf, they can make the rules very easily, it's just a matter of will they or not?

    June 1, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
  5. Zimboy

    "In other parts of the continent, people are questioning why they aren’t getting more for the mineral riches that lie in abundance beneath Africa’s soil."

    Well here in Zimbabwe our Mugabe is insisting on an indegenisation programme that give the locals a 51% stake to any local natural resources...and Britain, the U.S. , the E.U. and others are fighting to defeat it....not the Chinese.

    June 2, 2011 at 5:18 am |
  6. Wang

    Long live China! At least since the chinese invasion of the African market, we can see plenty of infrastructure development projects, eventhough the profit made by the chinese is disproportionate, but in less than 10 years Africa made progress and continue to develop various sectors due to Chinese investments. Many business people have started their own manufacturing plants :Food processing, cement plants, power stations, etc...You western counties, Belgium, UK, France, United states, what did you do for Africa in exchange for minerals that built your countries for the past 100 years? Can't you do anything better for the continent rather than causing wars, attacking sovereign nations like libya, using Rwandan army to steal minerals from Congo despite the death of millions of innocent civilians?

    June 2, 2011 at 5:36 am |
  7. Shan

    India will be a better and trustworthy partner.......The World should Dump China......

    June 2, 2011 at 5:49 am |
  8. NewGBush

    Wowowowo..The white folks who have been raping the African lands a nd paying next to nothing to grab the resources there are suddenly very worried of China's presence and competition. It is of course natural for Africans to try to get as much as they can out of a deal like any business deal. The Africans started from a very low base. First they got the near-robbery "deals" from the west. Now they have got a better deal from China. As they progress of course it is natural that they ask China to offer a better deal. As long as it is all at market prices and there is a willing seller and willing buyer, then there is a deal. If the west can't offer what China can offer, please shut up. What is so wrong about Chinese goods displacing western goods in the store? It is market forces of supply and demand, willing buyer willing seller forces at work. This is what a capitalist system is all about.

    June 2, 2011 at 6:39 am |
  9. Godmade

    No to the headlines but welcome with the open arm.

    June 2, 2011 at 6:41 am |
  10. NewGBush

    As for India, it is all about jealousy of China. Instead of making harsh remarks about China, Indians should just focus on improving themselves and competing like everybody else. India has the technical capability and the business capability, but it is bogged down by its own bureaucracy and its inability to free its population from its disbilitating caste system that prevent a big segment of its population from progess.

    June 2, 2011 at 6:42 am |
  11. Christine Chen

    No one country can be expected to make a fair deal...it's up to each country to be as sharp as they can. Good luck to African countries and to China as well.

    June 2, 2011 at 7:46 am |
  12. wayne

    why does CNN care so much about china? You have tornado, flooding, buget issue to report on. Things have good sites as well as bad sites. Did CNN ever report a good thing when it comes to china.

    June 2, 2011 at 7:57 am |
  13. Kimani

    China is making a huge impact in Africa. The people likely to get a bad deal from them are those doing minerals e.g. Zambia. But here in Kenya, Chinese companies are constructing roads much better and reliably than the Indian contractors used to do. Most of their employees are Kenyan and our roads are getting upgraded in a short period of time. The Europeans & Americans had their chance – they mostly messed it up. The Chinese are the new kids on the block and most people in Kenya will tell you that they have a positive impression of China. China has started off well – Europe started off by shooting the people off their lands.

    June 2, 2011 at 9:12 am |
  14. Eli

    Africa can only benefit from the relations with china and the west if governments impose strict rules on both, it is surprising that chinese get to setup sme's in almost every African country, digging sewage lines furrows and bricklaying and politicians say "China is our friends!" with their deep voices. Leaders in Africa have to wake up, Africa has been and is still being raped by the west to date, now is china...we need radical change in the ways we trade with other countries if we are to benefit from any of the relationships.We need to industrialize where necessary and stop relying on these resource hungry countries if we are to survive these war..its a war! look at Libya today, Somalia, Angola, DRC. As for Southern Africa, HIV has been distributed everywhere by those who made so that it kills anything Black for the west to take over our countries,this is a western sponsored project! we shall overcome!! HIV is so intelligent it knows its targets and it mostly attack Africans or African Americans!! this is the world where people preach democracy as if they care..

    June 2, 2011 at 10:41 am |
  15. history99

    China (Mainland China + ROC Taiwan + Hong Kong) is growing fast and is upgrading her quality.

    Ten years later, African people will respect China more.

    And China will become greatest ally for Africa.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:03 am |
  16. history99

    High school and university students in Africa should learn Mandarin Chinese for great economic exchange in the future.

    High school and university students in China also need to learn African languages for friendship. In the future, China will assist African countries on economy and many fields.

    China becomes more prosperity, she will be more generosity, too. Because Confucius say, assisting weak countries that is the responsibility for a great country.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:04 am |
  17. Garbage

    1,where is the evidence that chinese hackers have attacked gmail?
    2,google, the company which was totally defeated by chinese local company baidu is really disgusting.
    google will be banned by all countries in the future.
    that is sure.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  18. cmmrc

    YES! Africa need Made In U.S.A. high standard products, and made in europe of course. Africa also needs to stop China from using the continent as a dumping ground for sub-standard and fake products.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:21 am |
  19. Isabel

    What China is dumping on the world markets is absolutely rubbish. There is just no quality in what they produce, no matter what the product may be.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:21 am |
  20. zarniwoop

    Africa never amounted to anything, and never will.

    Africans think only of the short run, not the long run. Hence rife corruption, quick deals and breaking business agreements. They'd rather have the quick buck than a future continiuous stream of revenue.

    I think the correct term is 'delayed gratification', a concept we in the West teach our children at a young age. In Africa, the concept seems to be utterly alien to Africans.

    The Africans have no one to blame but themselves. Not the Europeans, not the Russians, and not the Chinese. Shifting the blame may distract the eye of the world for a while, but it does nothing to address the root cause of the problems – Africans themselves.

    How else can one explain the Asian Miracle – a region with very few resources – whereas Africa, despite its vast resources, is still the dumb kid of the world who sits in the back of the class.

    June 2, 2011 at 11:59 am |
  21. m

    I have seen" fake" french provincial or asian furniture not made in france or asian but in south africa,india,morroco or
    tibet and even pakistan.
    In south africa there are also "fake" sushi made by south africans,fake karate studios run by south africans, fake asian food restuarants run by south africans,"fake" tuscan (boere-tuscan),bali and "fake" georigian styled homes.

    This "getting tough" is prejudiced towards chinese people not to any other.

    Only recently in 2008 have the chinese people in south africa being recognised as human.

    June 2, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
  22. Nakhe

    I think we Africans are being exploited in an injust way by the Chinese, because the products we get here are not worth the waste of money; but I also think we haven't really set clear boundaries as a continent on what we really want from our business partners, China being one of them. I think we need to review the contracts we made before some need nullifying.

    June 2, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
  23. slk

    Presently the USA and Holland (SHELL) wants to frack south africa to death for resources and Walmart wants to colonise africa.....so where is the news report about this??????

    We do not want former colonisers in Africa who depleted (diamonds,gold,coal mineral) and used african resources(slavery) to death

    The biggest uranium stockpiling is stored in the North America.

    June 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
  24. Mike

    @ Shan

    India can't even feed its own people. Compared with China, India is lagging in just about everything, what you Indians need is a reality check.

    June 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
  25. slk

    Why is a south african speaking for the rest of africa when what africa needs to do is get more tougher on the western
    colonisation of aafrica nd the rest of the world...?????

    June 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  26. african

    I don t think we should play that game of china VS india ! the best would be the China and India,,,
    a fight between India and China would serve westerner interest that failed that continent ,and is continuing with libya today!!
    hopefully we'll chase them out one day!!

    June 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
  27. jesus

    We do not westerners to interfere and just take from africa( and even asia).
    We not need westerners to tell the rest of us what is right or wrong in their eyes(interests)
    Every corner of the world has been exploited and interefered with by western interests (greed)
    Every coner of the world has western military bases just ready to interefere and invade.

    June 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
  28. yl

    I think it's more like market driven, when most people buy those cheap products, they are not expecting its last long, this is becuase they are cheap. The reason they buy these cheap products is it rersponds to the developing world reality. When Africa economy progress, China will produce better quality products to respond Afraica market. Don't use the world 'Dumpping', it is almost similar cost to ship expensive goods or less ecxpensive goods from China to Afriac, there is risk involved for the merchants. If merchat see the opportunity to selll expensive goods, they don't need you to remind them.

    June 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
  29. jesus

    This question is very odd indeed.The title of the article is very unusal....almost demonising to stereotype and a little archaic.Perhaps it stems from imperialism.

    The fact is:

    China or asians have been in Africa just as long as western countries.
    However it does make you wonder why western countries have had this foothold on Africa taking resources and
    controlling resources in a big way during this period whilst the chinese or asians have not.

    It is obviously the corruption,bribery and war mongering nature of western countries that allowed them to achieve this.

    Its not a secret that many westeners and european countries eg german or uk and even americans have achieved their
    "success" via this to prevent competition.

    Many corporate companies in south africa achieved their wealth and assets selling whatever goods or services made in countries like india, china,taiwan,japan,mexico,vietnam,canada,poland and USA...so why is suddenly a probelm with china?

    For example,much of the land was stolen by force from the locals by force (just like in asia) and literally given to every white settlers in south africa and is still held very much so by them.
    Where is the asian or chinese person doing this????????????

    I would think African leaders are not getting "tougher".....they are saying they are asking for bribes and getting greedier.....!!!!.It is africa afterall and HISTORY has shown what it is.

    Chinese history does not show this...!

    June 2, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
  30. Yossa

    I have to say i buy a lot of goods from America and find them to be 20 times more superior than chinese goods and i,m from Australia we have given a lot of work to China by means of heavy fabrication modulesthat we either bolt together or weld and i can tell u they dont have a clue how to make a good product but a they are cheap

    June 2, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  31. Drake Rukundo

    As long as africa continues to allow large and usually off-budget aid to construct presidential palaces, airport highways, stadia, conference centers and office blocks, she should expect china to one day come for a return on its 'investment'. I dont think that China is doing any charities. They are systematic in their giving with an eye on Africa's natural resources especially gas, oil, minerals to quench their ever growing thurst of their industries.

    June 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
  32. zarniwoop

    SLK: you still in victim-mode? Colonization ended about 50-60 years ago, at the same time as it ended in India. Look where India is at now, and compare that to Africa. And then think again before you try to tell that you still blame foreigners for Africa's backwardness....

    The only prosperous country on the African continent was South-Africa. Coincidence or not, but that country was run by non-Africans (white people of European descent, even though they call themselves 'African'). Isn't it funny that the *only* country on the African continent that was moderately prosperous was ruled by non-Africans?

    I'll agree that it's not PC to say such things, but it's an observation that can't be denied.

    As more proof, I'll give you Congo after indepence from Belgium. Yeah, they made great progress there as well since they got rid of that vile oppressive yoke of European government, ruling standards and the civil service system....

    I find it hilarious to see people say (without blinking an eye) that it's still the old colonizers (Europe) and the new ones (China) that are to blame for it all. Those same people completely ignore the enormous progress that has been made in other former colonies in Asia as they go about complaining and passing blame to everyone else but themselves.

    Africans are their own worst enemy. Incidentally, this remark was made to me by a Congolese businessman.

    June 2, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
  33. AJ

    We Indians may be poor but we accept that we are poor, our politicians corrupt but no shi*t power can stop our resolve to strive for better future, we lay bare infront of the world to see what we are & what we will become(never hide reality/run away from it, thats our motto).
    Make fun of us, we know who our friends are & who made mockery of us, we teach the same to our kids.
    And finally its for smart Africans to choose their real partners be it China/India.

    June 2, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  34. GW

    Shan, how can u depend on a country that cant even run a sports game properly?? And for all those bashing China, it doesnt take take any brainpower to do so...the West have been stealing from every damm country that they come across. When you get a country like China, it's tilting the game...that's what the debate here's all about...maintainign statuq quo for the powerful & rich..not about helping the Africans....ever wonder why all these issues are raised by the West and not Africans themselves??? Hint: Who controls the Media????

    June 3, 2011 at 1:29 am |
  35. african

    why is the western media bashing china ?
    if you think you are better than china ,come and propose us better deals!!!

    June 3, 2011 at 9:56 am |
  36. Tim

    Caviar emptor.
    That's a staple of the American capitalist system.
    If you're too stupid to understand the implications of a business deal, then complaining is pretty pathetic.
    Oh of course. When it's not the United States getting the lion's share of a lopsided deal, then there's a problem!

    June 3, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
  37. Alex

    Jambo, Kimani
    For the Indian to win a tender, the deal would have to be beneficial to the minister, what does that mean?... it means that the minister would need a large amount of money(stealing) which is why he would first strike a deal with the co. willing to have the work done at a highly exorbitant price, once it would be paid the minister would get his share of it and the Indian would have to try and save some money which is why he would create a road of poor quality.

    Its all corruption buddy, but yes the Chinese have given us good roads.

    June 3, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
  38. Tim

    to cmmrc, the reason why Africa keeps consuming poor quality products is that that is all they can afford, if they were to get Japanese, US, German products they would be expensive beyond the reach of many to buy.

    June 4, 2011 at 1:00 am |
  39. elvin unson


    June 4, 2011 at 2:52 am |
  40. NewGBush

    The west wants it all. The west wants it free. And the west wants it now.

    June 4, 2011 at 4:10 am |
  41. aaaaa.bbbbb.2010

    Holy Jesus. The Amerians learned a good lesson from the comments on this board.
    I guess it's the time for CNN to say goodbye to Africa.

    June 4, 2011 at 6:12 am |
  42. Sweet Sharon

    Africa & China talking: " I scratch your back and you scratch mine."
    Western countries to everybody else: "You scratch my back and keep scratching. I will NOT scratch your back, but I will throw you some peanuts if you bow down to me."

    June 4, 2011 at 8:28 am |
  43. Sweet Sharon

    Any business manwould prefer to use local labour if possible to keep and logistics down, and to avoid the hassle of importing labour. Instead of blaming the Chinese for importing Chinese labour, it is the duty of the African country's government and business community to work with the Chinese companies to train the local Africans to acquire the necessary skill. From a business point of view, the Chinese businessmen would be more than happy to use local labour whenever possible. It is so easy to just do a "China bashing" out of political grievances or just out of envy.

    June 4, 2011 at 8:35 am |
  44. Abu

    This is a nonsense reporting by CNN. Of course African leaders should try to get the best possible deals when negotiating with China and any other country. What do you think the American, European, Japanese or Korean companies do when they come to Africa?? Give you a donation?? Every country and every company should negotiate for the best possible terms, and African leaders should act lilewise. What is the problem with you, CNN??? You do like to do China bashing, don't you. As for use of local labour, any business man can tell you that local labour is always prefered if they can get the right supply. It is always more expensive and troublesome to have to fly in foreign labour.

    June 4, 2011 at 9:37 am |
  45. slk

    If you look closely at south africa which claims to be "successful because of the white man" you would find that they
    achieved it unethically and immorally via apartheid. The fact is they still do not give the oppurtunity for non whites to have a slice of the cake.The fact is they are privatising apartheid by stealth via christain churches,private school
    associations,certain univeristies and in corporates.

    The fact is Apartheid used professors, lawyers,teachers,miltary force and pastors to create
    laws,perverse education,wars and religion to exclude the non whites.

    Whites are still sitting pretty in south africa getting richer by the day,sitting on a moral high ground and demonising every other person of colour which includes very surprisingly chinese people who only as from 2008 have been recognised as human after the south african people were sued as they were in denial and refused to accept this fact.

    Every white family( usually afrikaners) has a farm or resource somewhere in south africa they "own" or "inherited" from their forefathers who were given the land,stole it from the locals or used the laws created to take it from non whites.

    We must must not forget this is true colonialism.Amongst the richest whites in the world live in south africa and they
    way they have achieved this wealth unethically is the question that must be answered so that retribution must be
    carried out.

    South Africa still has extreme injustices and the archaic white colonialists have still not been dealt with adequately by the present government or other africans ( obviously because of vested interests such as swiss bank accounts )

    Still to this day in the 21st century the white offspring are taught to stereotype and demonise nonwhites.

    If you use this greed of western colonialism (which has infiltrated every corner of the globe) as a benchmark ....THEN it becomes more clearer that china has more harmony.

    June 4, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  46. kasadha

    Its time up for the west and USA.
    We have decided to go China b'se we've had enough of the rest and concluded that they are no good.
    They are rather useless and we don't deal with shit.
    We've learnt our fair lesson and we will deal with the west and US at our level in all aspects to smoke them out for life

    June 4, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  47. wysiwyg

    Go to any trade fair....watch the visitors (merchants) from around the world.
    They buy according to their markets affordability.
    Why authors,especially european or eurocentric south africans writes about china in this DEMONISING way is because they are "priviledged",have vested interests and have unethically financially (unfairly?) benefitted from all this.

    June 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
  48. Toiletman

    Nobody takes africa serious. The only country which seems to change a bit is rwanda but nearly all other african countries have clan/tribe based cleptocracies and positions aren't given because of competence but because of tribe, family etc. Chinese professionals can off course make unequal contracts since many african presidents are uneducated ethnic warriors but guerilla war requires different skills than being a head of state. Africa will not develope because most of the money the government makes through China will vanish in the pockets of the "poltical" elite. There is furthermore only a patchwork of small countries with the exception of nigeria and nothing that could even come close to an equal partner. It will also give few new jobs since China brings their own workers. Possibly, Chinese people will become a visible minority there somewhen since a lot of Chinese people stay there and get successful in business.

    June 5, 2011 at 5:01 am |
  49. PENNY

    India will be a better and trustworthy partner.......The World should Dump China...... June 2, 2011 at 5:49 am |


    June 5, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
  50. Sheldon cooper

    Penny, I think Shan means that between the Chinese and the Indians who are more trust worthy?.....Indians

    June 6, 2011 at 3:18 am |
  51. Lost

    African nations.....UNITE! Help one another...cast aside your political, cultural, and religious views if they are hindering your ability to thrive, prosper, and respect yourselves. You will always be enslaved and mishandled by foreigners promising gold, when it's actually fools gold, if you continue to live apart from yourselves. Search within and invest in yourselves. Create a new meaning of wealth and status that the world has never known. Merchandise and material things do not equate wealth or stability....or happiness.

    June 6, 2011 at 7:44 am |
  52. hachimada

    It's nice to hear from the friend from Kenya that Chinese are helping out there. I think the keyword is "mutual benefits" when comes to business deals, and Chinese in most cases achieved that.

    June 6, 2011 at 10:55 am |
  53. Ayo

    Firstly, I don't think Robyn Curnow is well educated in tagging headlines. This headline is misleading to say the least. The question "Is Africa Getting Tough On China ?" suggest ulterior motive which the body never fully expressed explicitly.

    Secondly, I think China is not to be blamed for the fake goods that enter Africa but the government which allow the fake goods to be supplied. The European nations have quality control system for goods coming in from outside, be it from USA, Australia, Japan and even from China.

    Thirdly, Europe and America are not different from China in dealing with Africa(only George W. Bush AIDS initiative I can applaud at the moment) if not even worse off in dealing with Africa. At least, I haven't see where Chinese stole land with abundant resources or taken the power from the people (We have seen that in Apathied South Africa). SHELL petroleum has be operating in my country of Nigeria before I was born, now I am 25 year-old man and there is nothing to show for it by the locals only to be faced with environment degradations which are affecting the rural community life( Westerners will always have excuses - they are prolific at that). If the leaders are corrupt(We all know they are because they know they can get away with it in the backing of Western banks and security).Then, who should we blame?

    Fourthly, the Western nations know our weakest areas and they used them against us all the time. Those are in the area of education, poverty , skin complexity (whether you like it or not it plays a lot in the international community - it is a reality we often ignored), corrupt leaders to the poor grass root, etc. Westerners are politicians when it comes to the uplifting of Africa to the same standard( which can never happened in our life time). I am even tired of praising Western with the ad-hominem characters which now translate to China bashing.

    On the final note, Africans need to start organizing things( We are the greatest problem for Africa), we lacked this important part of a good society characters. From there we can move on to providing better education for all. Lack of education is destroying the continent and, I wish the leaders can provide free education for all from primary through secondary level with prudent enforcement. Our leaders are less concerned about the people which is the best resource any given country possesses.

    P.S: For the person who thinks North Africa is not Africa can well understand the level of the ignorance running through his brain about his views of Africa. The name Africa came from the North African nation of Tunisia.

    June 6, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  54. jai_in

    @penny, how many Indians u know? where have u heard that saying..u ..idiottt

    June 6, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
  55. jai_in

    @Alex, are u an idiot? why would India bribe its own ministers to get projects in Africa? are u talking about African misters?if you don't know, go and read about Indian companies like L&T, Punj Lloyd, BHEL and HCC which makes roads and infrastructures in Africa and their quality of work.

    June 6, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
  56. hachimada

    Very well said Sweet Sharon, "scraching back" in return is the spirit of business deals, western corps just didn't care too much. Now you have Chinese competitors, it's time to re-think the strategy.

    June 6, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
  57. 羿、、、

    We only to live a better life, more secure life, and other business. A Chinese citizen voice!

    June 8, 2011 at 2:04 am |
  58. Guanxi

    Everyone becomes greedy after a while. That's what the unions do in many countries. People are never satisfied, even when they have more than enough. As the saying goes:

    "If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to ask for a glass of milk.

    When you give him the milk, he’ll probably ask you for a straw.

    When he’s finished, he’ll ask for a napkin.

    Then he will want to look in a mirror to make sure he doesn’t have a milk mustache.

    When he looks into the mirror, he might notice his hair needs a trim. So he will probably ask for a pair of nail scissors.

    When he’s finished giving himself a trim, he’ll want a broom to sweep up. He’ll start sweeping. He might get carried away and sweep every room in the house. He may even end up washing the floors as well!

    When he’s done, he’ll probably want to take a nap. You will have to fix a little box for him with a blanket and a pillow. He’ll crawl in, make himself comfortable and fluff the pillow a few times.

    He’ll probably ask you to read him a story. So you’ll read him one from one of your books, and he’ll ask to see the pictures. When he looks at the pictures, he’ll get so excited he’ll want to draw one of his own. He’ll ask for paper and crayons.

    He’ll draw a picture. When the picture is finished, he’ll want to sign his name with a pen.

    Then he’ll want to hang his picture on your refrigerator. Which means he will need…scotch tape.

    He’ll hang up his drawing and stand back to look at it. Looking at the refrigerator will remind him that he’s thirsty so…he’ll ask for a glass of milk.

    And chances are if he asks for a glass of milk, he’s going to want a cookie to go with it."

    Needs and Wants never end. It's part of human nature.

    June 8, 2011 at 9:36 am |
  59. AIDNI

    India? I believe even Indians are wary of dealing with their countrymen: cheating, corrupted, too many BS too few actions.

    June 8, 2011 at 11:23 am |
  60. kayiito

    alot of people are talking abt how africa shud be tight on china,abt china invading the african market,abt fake chineese products,how africans think only of the short run,not the long run,hence rife corruption,how we would rather have a quick buck than a continious stream of revenue,how the concept of delayed gratification is an alien concept in african children,how india would be a trustworthy partner,and etc.heres the point,africa has been depleted of all its natural resources for decades,africans have been hit by HIV for years,africans have been denied the simple anti HIV drugs,they have been given grants and loans by the very countries that have cheated them for decades.Lets be smart and understand that we need the chinese for our development at this stage. we have been hampered by civil wars,corrupt govts supported by the very western countries for yrs,so many children need the basic amenities like those in the western countries,they need schools to study, safe drinking water,security,etc..why say that chinese are dumping fake products in africa yet the very african countries cannot produce them?we cannot build our own roads or schools so lets happily invite them , we can work together to change our policies and in the longer run we all benefit.Lets stop blaming the western countries and lets stop blaming ourselves and let everyone in the western world understand that we also teach our children wat they call "delayed gratification",lets work together with better policies and good governance.

    June 8, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  61. jai_in

    jai_in who are u calling an idiot, read it again silly, im saying for the african minister to make moeny, he issues tenders who ever wins it has an agreement with the minister to inflate the price of the project so that when the african minister officially pays it from the govt. mone,y the minister takes his share from the Indian owner of the co that won the contract.

    stop insulting others – if you dont understand ask, but keep ur poor manners to urself

    June 8, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  62. hamony

    Hi, TO Isabel:
    your critizism about Chinese goods is not acceptable, this is a free world you can buy high price for good quality products the less rich people or poor people can afford to buy cheaper goods that the Chinese produced. I have known may people who are very happy to be able to afford to buy whereas in the 80's one could not even bought a pair of jeans which cost $40-50
    However, I donot like this gets over the pendulum because people becomes abusing and junks pile up SO China needs to innovation insome of their products now.

    June 9, 2011 at 12:09 am |
  63. hamony

    To Drake Rukundo
    The mutual benefit of both countries Africa and China by exchanging services with natural resources is a fair deal
    China does not claim doing Charity so your comment was off track
    Also critisizing China eyes on natural resources – IT is so unfair to say that as they are in business deal unless they pay cash if not resources of course China has many mouths need to eat too

    June 9, 2011 at 12:30 am |
  64. Thomasmakoni

    1-noone is forced to buy cheap products, its what the majority of africans can afford. In a different african household you may find high quality original durable chinese products, simply because the buyer can afford the products and choose to buy them. Chinese firms supply different type and quality products according to demand, simple..
    2- the west on the other hand uses words such as human rights, democracy, foreign aid etc with the help of cnn, bbc etc to create a situation and environment all so they get resources in an unfair manner. Mainly Oil.
    3- southafrica shouldn't speak on behalf of africa. We are one continent but different economic status, culture, environment and systems.
    4.- zimbabwe moved from 200mil % inflation to 3% inflation in less than 20months, economic growth is 10%. Yes there is some violence and questionable government but the positive aspects not reported by cnn only the negative things.
    5-robyn curnow – should consider reporting both sides of the story.

    June 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  65. patrick pami

    What most African leaders lack is political will and patriotism. Most are only interested in the kick backs they will get. My country zambia is one which is endowed with minerals which are being exploited like no man's business. We need more leaders who will fight for their citizens and not the current crop that's only interested in itself.

    June 9, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  66. Free Zimbabwe

    Zimbabwe does not need to be limited simply because the west imposed sanctions, Zimbabwe's economy can be started by Chinese funding, Zimbabwe can start trading with the rest of Africa no matter what, and whatever Africa cannot trade with, China, Japan and the rest of asia can.

    There is still a very large world out there without the west, and who even respects the west anymore?

    June 9, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
  67. Charle

    I don't agree some comments,actually chinese workers help most people living the earth,they work hard and get little salary,but provide so many products to the world.Some body say most goods' quality is not good ,but you should know that is related with price,you give very low price how can they give you high level product.You should know most of the importers just offer very low price,that is the truth.That is the market problem,that is all.

    June 10, 2011 at 2:31 am |
  68. AJ

    @Mike and @ Every1 who talks about Indians living below 2$/day.
    I've been reading these statements everywhere on the internet. I want to put some facts for you guys to consider before you throw some stereotype at someone. Firstly, we in the west won't survive on 2$ a day (although it is less than 2$, I'll stick to 2$ instead for the sake of this discussion). But in India 2$ = (around) INR 90 (and less than 2$ never gives the exact figure). Which is a handsome amount for a poor to live. For the poor schooling is free, food is – INR2/ kg – rice, 3 Rs/kg wheat (that's just 1-2 pence respectively), 100% of finance for housing is provided by the government if the person gets involved in the construction (well for all the points one might argue the quality, but guys we are talking about survival. So for now lets stick to it). Indian jeans for an adult costs around INR 400. So, dude from the outside it might look as if less than 2$ a day is too bad. But on the ground I won't call the situation to be NOT ABLE TO FEED ITS POOR). Just check the export figures in agriculture for India and you will find base in my arguments. Another no wise nation will export food when its people are deprived of it. Secondly, with all the benefits on offer for being poor, one can never trust the statistics.;)
    Now, coming back to African continent's engagement with China and India. Both China and India have pursued different models. China is engaged more on the exploiting natural resources which are a must for her growth while India is engaged in overall development of Africa to gain diplomatic and economic mileage in africa. From the African point of view(in my opinion), they should decide their own future even if it comes at some economic cost. They should take the technology from China in exchange for Chinese resource security and try to build up the capacity within the nations to export processed minerals instead of raw material.

    June 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  69. Alex

    China is the boon we ve been looking for, but nevertheless they shall invade, its just that they are better than the whites, anyways it still looks like Africa cannot stand on its own yet, sorry but they dont seem to have learnt their lessons, at the end their mineral wealth shall be depleted and they shall be poor once again.

    Rwanda is the only nation that seems to be bold, the reason why the West are not doing all they can to destroy it is that, its geographical size it way too small for it to be any major threat, or even a force to recon with, so why not let it just stay, sometimes I fail to see why Kenya has not developed as fast as it should have, Nairobi is good as per african standards and is not very different from Perth in Australia.

    The modern problems that haunt Africa shall be enviromental disasters, pollution, receding lakes and water bodies, global warming, droughts & famines, extremist middle eastern religions(christianity and Islam) why not follow african religions??, poor economic policies, closure of home grown industries as they cannot compete with Chinese pricing. May God help Africa in awakening and may he constantly bless Rwanda

    African Spiritualists, herbalists and shamans are able to cure aids, but Africa still seems not to have realised it all. My heart cries out for Africa and how the world shall scramble once again for its resources.

    June 10, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  70. Aj

    Talk about Chinese censorship and what is US so different? I had a post which didn't even have any abusive word or any racist remarks or anything that would morally require comment not being posted. Why was my comment removed? It would a parody to expect that this comment will be allowed to be posted on the wall. But still I would write for the people who are editing to read and feel ashamed of themselves.

    June 10, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
  71. Ajj

    Aj, a polite request, please do put down your comment again, chances are that it would work the second time.

    June 11, 2011 at 3:59 am |
  72. princi

    it is sad but true that corruption is a way of life now -it is Global ,universal .India still is the lesser evil -CHINA be careful people . India with over a billion people is still doing extremely well and is a thriving Democracy -China is a police STATE.

    June 13, 2011 at 8:58 am |
  73. albert martey

    corruption is everywhere and worst in the advanced countries...leave africa alone

    June 13, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  74. ObamaBush

    Remember, a good portion of Africa is still ruled by despots who will sell whoever they have to for a suitcase full of RMB (actually, probably US dollars) and China is banking on this so they can repeat colonialism "with Chinese characteristics".

    June 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  75. ObamaBush

    You also forget that the West gives money to Africa if they agree to improve their human rights and governance, which is all being undone by "China's free money if you don't ask questions" policy.
    Who would've guessed that the new millenium would usher in a new era of slavery and exploitation. I suppose its only bad if the West does it.

    June 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
  76. ObamaBush

    Not to mention China only gives you money if your local despot promises to only ship in cheap Chinese labour.

    June 14, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
  77. Expat In China

    I have a pair of boots which were made in China. I had to change the sole on them because I've probably walked a few thousand miles in them. I've had them for about ten years now, that's value.

    America brings war to Africa, China brings infrastructure and jobs. America and Europe have kept Africa down for centuries, in contrast, China does not FORCE itself on Africa and it actually PAYS for what it wants.

    June 16, 2011 at 7:02 am |
  78. A

    The west is not going to allow Africa to develop, the human rights that the west supports is actually done as a form of lobbying to slow economic growth, e.g. Delamere in Kenya hired 100's of workers, when the govt. threatened to reduce the large amount of land he owned, delamere asked his workers to go against the govt. thereby stopping the take over of land from the white colonial landowner.

    2) China is doing the exact same thing in a different manner, and Africa may not see this but the ownership of Africa is just changing hands, moving from US ownership to Chinese ownership.

    my heart cries out for Africa, from Europeans hands, it switched to US hands and now to Chinese hands.

    June 17, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
  79. bolarinwa

    zarniwoop, you've positioned yourself very badly here. Your statement reflects your corrupt mindset, brought about by years of indoctrination, poor academic reasoning laced with poisoned upbringing.You lack any hope of redemption. So I rest my case.

    June 19, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  80. AFRICAN FAILURE is from african

    Most of you writing on this blog are fool and ignorant only write what people tell you But none of you think about the future for your countries most African, From the beginning of the world African have been curse by the way of life no matter who rules this world ,African will be a follower and will always get lost on is path and plus the stupid crazy madman leaders will have,African have no place in this World. Why do you think is Chinese want to help or american or Europe of middle east?Do u people know why ( because African are born to be a slave)is not because euro-peon to took us as a slave it because we want to be .There is nothing Good that will come out of china or american or Europe BUT only from yourself African. Is African Brainless to do thing for themselves some stupid African will say Chinese come with infrastructures to African it all lies if you come to china and other of the china even in the capital you tall building and big road that is what they call propaganda to the world same as to rest of the world every countries need there slave and which is Africa . Chinese don't need you African they only need you make there to be in power as globe powerhouse cos they are loose their market in Europe and american and even in Asia the only place they can turn to you people the full of this world AFRICAN.WAKE UP AFRICAN DON'T BE USELESS TO THE AFRICAN NOT FROM AMERICAN OF EUROPEAN BUT FROM OUR 1ST GENERATION AND THIS IS THE TIME YOU AFRICAN NEED TO STAND UP TO THE REST OF THE WORLD ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. CHINESE IS THE MOST SELFISH PEOPLE ONLY WHAT THEY CAN GET FROM YOU IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE GO TO CHINA AND DO BUSINESS WITH THEM AND YOU HOW HONEST THEY ARE I HAVE TRAVEL AND DOING BUSINESS AROUND THE WORLD I KNOW WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT SO DON'T BE FOOL. GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING THE GDP OF UR IS DIES FROM CHEAP GOOD AND YOU ECONOMY WITH CRASH IN NO TIME CHINESE IS A VIRUS THEY EAT SLOWLY BUT YOU KNOW YOU DEAD LIKE AIDS

    June 20, 2011 at 11:05 am |
  81. observer

    some people are so narrowminded and onesided



    June 20, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  82. Tuckyjoe

    The Africans should not only pick on the Chinese; doing business with anyone even within Africa should be based on fair deal and mutual gains; anything less should not be entertained. The era where tons of cocoa pods cost less than a bar of chocolate should be wiped out and Africans must demand a reasonable and respectable fee for their toil otherwise the very people who conducts unfair games with the Africans are the ones who accuse Africans of being poor and unable to feed themselves. These selfish and cruel attitudes must stop.

    June 21, 2011 at 4:52 am |
  83. AFRICAN FAILURE is from african

    African should stop picking on american or European but learn from their old mistake so not to fall for the same mistake they did in 19th century, this is the 21st Century, the new dawn for the African not the Chinese or American or European these countries need you African, please every African wake up from your sleep and see the truth of the world ,for example look at Libya now,china support Gadhafi but now is supporting the rebel now is that the kind of people you call for good thing in Africa who don't have their own mind but a Chameleon

    June 21, 2011 at 9:32 am |
  84. cornell chweya

    its high time African leaders developed some spine and stopped looking outward for solutions to problems caused mostly by their inefficiencies and greed.Grow up or get out

    June 21, 2011 at 9:55 am |
  85. gordon orim

    Goodluck to the Chinese buisnesses entering Africa, I beIieve Chinese are more welcome in Africa than the US,I think the world trades has change dramatically. The African nations wants Chinese goods because they know all the money spend on goods from China is not spend on developing new weapons to kill innocent civilians and helpless children like what the US and WESTERN ALIES did in IRAG, ARFGHANISTAN, PARKISTAN, and now in LYBIA.

    The US and its Western alies earned money form foreign investments to help finance new weapons to kill human civilians.

    June 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
  86. observer

    For the sake of world peace... everyone must take responsibility for themselves donot blame others for your shortcomings. Africans or Chinese or Westeners are all people at the end of the day the main thing is the general public must work hard to get what you want and check your leaders who have done good things for your own countries, communities etc. For the Chinese who, at least, encourage peace and talk rather than fights, it is really out of fashion by engaging to wars, it is 21st century, we are the common people must make sure to vote leaders who love peace not wars (cost the money that supposed for the poors, sicks and disaster funds, etc...) whether Chinese in favour of the rebels we can not confirm the main thing is we must ask NATO to cease fire and talk with Quadafi(who did ask to cease fire but the West wants him out or dead) and the Rebels so no more fightings which costs too many lives and sufferings ....

    June 22, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  87. Change leadership

    @ observer, about the Chinese changing their mind on Libya, it could be because they are being pressured to do so, or they are just playing dirty because I know that China and Russia always go against the US, Britain and France.

    The Chinese are already here in Africa, its only a matter of time the west collapses economically, the war in Libya is going to slowly lead to the next big war, WW3, anyways once the west is defeated the Chinese shall definitely colonize Africa as there shall not be anyone left to contain them, and that is where the struggle begins.

    Russia shall always support China and Africa shall once again be powerless to do anything about it.
    China needs resources, they'll do anything to get their hands on them, while the average African shall continue dying.

    June 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  88. sandy kho

    As the power shift from the West to the East, it is unavoidable that the East would dominant the less develop countries. Humans over the history are particularly good at taking advantage of others. The West for hundreds of years have basically raped Africa and Asia out of their natural and human resources. Let us hope that China being the dominant country in the east will be fairer. Would it be a shock one day to the West when the East is dominating the Western countries. Perhaps it would get to the stage when the East would be forcing its values to the West. Is it possible to see the East launching unilateral military bombings and invasion of Western countries within 50 years?

    June 24, 2011 at 1:55 am |
  89. Turbo4

    There they go again this war mongers, what now you start the war with China now. We cant wait to impliment nationalisation of mines in South Africa. Your anglo American who busy staeling our natural resources will be pushed out. Okay china you me 51% and you take 49%. Oh my tax aswel. Viva Julius Malema Viva

    June 25, 2011 at 4:00 pm |

    @ Turbo4, I can only encourage Africa to supply all the uranium to the Chinese who will further process it and make nukes with it and pass it to the middle easterners who will use it for their suicide bombing in the west so as to destroy it. the so called middle eastern terrorists are actually liberating their nation from US and allies.

    We all need to work hand in hand to bring an end to western colonization, there's just one other problem, once western domination is destroyed then China shall do the exact same thing, colonize the world, and it goes on and on.

    Christianity is the other problem, I want to encourage everyone to watch 'how aids was started' on youtube and you shall see that it was created in a lab and the main target was to wipe off African population so that their resources can be exploited. This was all done by the Jews, which is also why I ask Africans to stop following Christianity as the Jews twisted that religion so that they are in favor and are thought of as the chosen ones, in reality they are not the chosen ones, because no other religion ever says that Israel is Gods holy land.

    Africans please follow African religions forget Christianity and or Islam, by following African religions you make Africa your holy land and so people respect it even more.

    Did you all notice Clinton doesn't like China, which is why she was telling Africa 'do not let china colonise you' where was she when US was colonising africa??? – the 2 faced bas*****.

    June 25, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
  91. kenis milkshake

    I just hope that all is going to be in favor of Africa this time around.

    June 26, 2011 at 12:35 am |
  92. lado

    Is Africa betraying the west by doing business with Chinese? i think this should be the appropriate headline...... if only the west had actually done something in Africa that i could be proud of.

    1. slavery
    2. neo colonization
    3. you support and create bad regimes in order to exploit the people
    4.war is terrorism
    5. the world system is created by you for you and no one else thus it's a FRAUD
    6. histrory has shown that all unfair empire or power would surly fall or collapse
    7. don't cry it's the east turn and it will surely come to Africa, then we make you all pay for raping Africa.
    8. the patience dog eat the biggest bone.
    9. the west media power would soon be obsolete.
    10. its already happening can you feel it already, the world knows the reason behind the war in Libya, it's about oil and
    rebuilding a bombarded country by means of contract to western companies. also to steal the large reserve of Libya
    wealth. and most importantly to destroy the plan of Qaddafi AFRICAN UNION.
    11. who are you to complain of china?

    June 26, 2011 at 4:22 am |
  93. tahir hamid

    hi there.....business is a two way process.....its not as if china is imposing its products over the world....low cost items do sell in poor nations....quality depends upon price and affordability....if the people in africa are quality conscious they should not encourage the import of cheap products.....you cant have quality goods at throwaway prices...any stupid man knows that.....

    June 26, 2011 at 10:07 am |
  94. observer

    Hi, there, I donot think China like to dominate any country, they seem to like to do mutual business when you donot have the money you pay resorces this is exchange and is a fair share, the west is always like to dominate others to my knowlege I hope this will change soon even democracy they can be selfish you look at the Libya nato bombings which is not really acting to safe the people is for themselves but they get the UN and the world to back them to go ahead if they really care the Libyian people they use peace solution I think is always better ...

    June 26, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
  95. Kenya

    Its very simple, every civilization has always had others who were always out there to fight for resources, and it shall always continue, the spanish empire did that, the romans, the british... it shall always be there no matter what.

    There is only one solution to this, strengthen your own economy and nobody shall try and force you into 'shady' deals, just a week ago I read that Julia Gillard (PM of Aussie) was being forced by China to avoid having a meeting with the Dalai Lama, this just reminded me that China is in control of this world now, and they shall do what the others have always done, which is hunt for resources very similar to the Europeans.

    We are all awaiting for the nation that shall bring balance to the US and the world, we are happy the US is going down and are also predicitng that their troops shall get involved in Syria... and this shall lead to them going bankrupt.

    It is up to Africa to break away from the UN and also the treaties that were forced upon them you should by now realise the treatises were there to hold you back.

    June 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
  96. Ivorian

    Where to begin here with this conversation. I am a first generation American living here in the United States born in the Ivory Coast. As a individual who has been raised as a Westerner in western schools. As africans we must not resent the west. I do understand the resentment and hostility against the west for previous events in the past, but we must move forward. In this day and age in 2011 more Africans such as my self are becoming educated in these western schools earning degrees. As black immigrants from Africa here in the US, we have the highest educational attainment levels amongst other immigrant groups. As Africans we must continue to develop and become educated to propel Africa into a new time period. The time is coming but we must stay patient, the future is bright for Africa i guarantee you that. We need to some how gather the most educated, non-corrupt, savy leaders from Africa descent from around the world. To ensure real economic and political growth for the continent. There needs to be a new chapter written for Africa. Most countries in Africa need to re-build the economic and political institutions in the country. With a solid foundation of institutions the continent will experience massive growth at the current rate of Chinas' with in 15-20 years if we begin now. I urge educated Africans across the globe to a grand discussion on the future of the continent. contact me via-email and facebook to begin the process. THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT. AFRICA IS THE FUTURE.

    June 27, 2011 at 3:08 am |
  97. Observer


    June 28, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  98. JM

    I so agree. China will do anything to cheat you out. They will lie, cheat, steal, corrupt,kill,you name it. Sadly, China will support sudan's genocide just to ensure thier flow of oil. China's rise is almost being a hazard to the world. they almost encourage violence. They do this because it is the only channel they can get as the west won't do business with criminals.

    June 29, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
  99. Foreigner311

    There's no doubt that Africa needs China and vice versa. China provides loans without the conditionality's found in the west. Despite this African countries need to focus on long term investment as opposed to short term investment. Unfortunately many African countries don't have a great position in order to demand better terms of trade. My advise for African countries dealing with China would be to think long term and understand that China needs them as much as they need China.

    June 29, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
  100. lado

    i laugh at the fact that the west don't do business with criminals.... ha ha ha..... the west is the criminal to start with. as an example, what is the difference between Bush and Omar Hassan al-Bashir president of sudan?

    they both order their armies to fight and commit crimes. while the former is a wanted criminal and bush remains untouchable.

    June 30, 2011 at 12:56 pm |

    we in Africa thinks these guys are investors but the funny thing is they are 25%investors and 75%peddlers, is not a long i visited Malawi,Zambia,Zaire,what i saw is they are competing with the locals in business even a small scale ones you will find them opening garage selling chickens in Zambia market even sell slippers beside the roads,in DAR es salaam selling things in retail shops,now what happens if you grab poor peoples job and say you are investor soon they will start conflict with locals and they will be chased out of Africa.

    July 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
  102. Sasi

    As an Indian,I must say that there are still many Indians who are honest,created companies like Tata,Infosys,while there are many who are corrupt like the ministers and bureaucrats who try to make money everywhere.
    India respects China for its progress,but we Indians believe that we can make better products than China of course at a higher price.Unlike China India is not wholly dependent on its exports to keep its people employed.
    As for Africa,Africans must keep their self respect and refuse to enter into contracts with any country which are not
    for the longterm beneficial to Africans.Only Africans can decide for themselves what they gain in dealing with any country whether US,China or India.Aid of course comes with a quid pro quo,Africans must learn to help themselves set up their own industries.Sending precious raw materials to China cheaply in exchange for shoddy Chinese products is what they must resist even if the going is tough now
    China is hostile to India but needs India to sell its products so is clever in keeping its disputes aside while making money from Indian business,while a country like Pakistan refuses to do business with India even if its a loser in the bargain.

    July 4, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
  103. obinna

    trully,from the potential point of view,chinese product is getting the economy of some countries bad,as they keep producing fake products that never serve the test of time.just for example,u buy a nokia charger 200 naira and it burn in the next few hours,you go and buy another one there by making our nigerian money valueless,so in many other items. Africans should say no to china they are exploits,and if they are given the chance they will enslave us,have you been in their working environment? u see wath i mean,u work for them they will not give you food

    July 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
  104. EbbRex

    Fu@k India, go you Indian bastards to you own India. China is far more better than India. At least China does not intervene in the internal matters of the sovereign countries. But all these westerners and Indian bastards they do. Go ahead China in nice way without exploiting foreign people and their country but giving care and paying respect to their society, environment and culture.

    July 8, 2011 at 11:08 am |
  105. Africa

    I totally appreciate the projects being carried out by the Chinese govt. in Kenya, but I ve noticed that the deal has always been as follows:

    The Chinese govt. to offer extremely low cost projects in exchange for allowing their people to settle there, for every project they conduct they are allowed a certain no. of people.

    By the end of all their projects their own people shall be there, they shall have opened up their own businesses, and shall be competing with the locals there

    The locals shall not truly even be able to compete as they are not going to be hard working enough, both competitors shall be importing for the same nation, eventually the Chinese dude wins out.

    With time the locals shall be at the mercy of the Chinese who by then shall have bought out all the land, shall be very influential in politics shall be getting favours from the govt....

    The Africans once again shall be the dumb ones who shall lose out.

    I mean think about it, Africa as a continent has now had 3 colonizers, European imperialism, US, now China, and they haven't even realized this yet.

    July 12, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
  106. xiaobao

    Nationalism aside everyone pulls the "colonialism" card to get what they want and slander competitors. America and China call each other colonialists for doing business in Africa. Africans call foreign investors colonialists for giving them cheap deals.

    The truth is no one is really a colonialist these days. As long as both parties agree on the deal, and no one was forced into agreeing, A BAD DEAL IS STILL A DEAL. Business is business, trade is trade. Most developing countries need to offer low cost trade, for China it's labor, for Africa it's resources. What they do with the money is up to them. That's all there is to it.

    July 13, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
  107. Observer

    Hi, today's news – the German also went to Africa to do business and they also ask for resources if no money to pay. This is all about business mutual benefit one must not blames others this and that China is reasonable you look at the past the West bullied the Africans and they donot get much at all go check the history which is the proof. ok...

    July 14, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  108. TeddyTelcom

    Telecommunications products built in China are mission critical in Africa. They are cheap easy to maintain and very reliable. Most products are built in China and Western companies merely put their name on them. ZTE and Huawei are real telecommunications players in Africa. I have not had any problems with me Huawei modem, this is a great time to be in Africa and we owe it all to China.

    July 15, 2011 at 7:59 am |
  109. Lin Biao

    The sooner you dump the Chinese the better off you will be. These people have no reason and conscience. They are so greedy and bellicose they will do anything even at the expense of human lives for their own benefits. If you know more about their cheap and bad quality products you will see the meaning of this statement. It is sad that their behavior destroys their own image, which is a great culture and civilization. I respect the good Chinese who, I hope, will realize this and do something to save their good name and image.

    July 16, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  110. Kevin

    I am glad that at last Africa is waking up to China's, dumping of junk products that dont even last a week, Africa must make China pay for its minerals, in some countries whole forest's of indigenous hardwoods are been decimated, Zimbabwe and Northern Mozambique. Also use of Chinese convict labour on African construction projects, does not help Africa, and Africans in any way, Africans cant develop any skills if Chinese labour is conducting all construction.

    August 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  111. Alfred A Taylor

    Hail Africa and China relation. The west has lost it, and now they're jealous to see Africa developing because of China involvement. It's easy to trade with China than the west who always attached religion to development. The west started by killing and enslaving Africans, looted their natural resources. Chinese came to Africa with open hand with trade not aid-the western infrastructure. Africa has wake-up!

    August 8, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
  112. Jim

    Going by this article, one will get the impression that all 54 countries in Africa are getting tough on China...

    This Lady, Robyn Curnow must have no knowledge about Africa. I am European myself but I know a lot more than this woman about the continent. She writes with such ignorance and generalization it is unbelievable. Africa is a continent not a single country, the continent contains about 54 countries that are not all represented in her articles. She describes an issue affecting 1 or a couple of African countries BUT uses the term "Africa" as if they are all affected by that particular issue. Why not stick to the country in particular within the continent so people don't get confused as lump the entire continent in as one?

    August 13, 2011 at 7:37 am |
  113. marc gunn

    The MAIN thing is to make sure its all consensual, which it basically is with china, at least FAR more than it ever was with Europe and America. All the china-bashers conveniently leave this point out... respect the Africans and let them make the best decisions for themselves. And the proof is there, trade with china is by choice and has been more beneficial than trade with the west ever has. Sure there are problems as there will be in any huge relationship. But the main point is keep it consensual...

    August 14, 2011 at 5:18 am |
  114. will edward

    The west only incite wars and government overthrow in Africa. Oh! what happened to the son of British Margret Thatcher who bank rolled a botched coup in Genuine?

    August 15, 2011 at 9:02 am |
  115. Leo

    This article is so biased, and I can not believe there is anyone think it is the truth.
    Every thing is changing now. Dont think wih your old brain.
    There are crap Chinese product, but you have to know who import those and who make China to produce them.
    Actually, the benefits for those crap products are extremely low.

    If some of you guys already think in this way, you will be definitely abandoned by the new world.

    August 16, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
  116. John

    I don't trust the Chinese a bit. They are more capitalists than the western world and they have a policy of "I don't mind what you do if you don't mind what I do", a very dangerous trend as anything can happen. The government only control political dissidents as for business is "do whatever it takes". The only way to go around this trend is for Africa to develop more ethical (patriotic ?) "leaders", say, they get their cut but also benefits the country. Sadly, this is not happening yet.

    August 19, 2011 at 4:51 am |
  117. first time

    dont be stupid,if you say chinese products are rubbish, why dont you stop buying it?i believe that most of you people buy chinese mades.the afircans can buy US made or european made,but can they afford it?use your brains

    August 21, 2011 at 3:53 am |
  118. Sain

    I think the profit is the main force, which regulate the relationships between countries

    August 26, 2011 at 7:42 am |
  119. Christian Kuboushek

    I found the opinions in this article more fascinating that the article itself. I'd like to point out that ballot printing isn't as main stream in Africa. Because of that it can be very hard for them to hold elections.

    November 28, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
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